1820: Lavinia Fisher AKA America's First Female Serial Killer (Maybe)

You are listening to one nation under crime, a chronological true crime podcast. Each week we go through our nation's history and discuss one case from each year, starting in 1800. I'm Kayla and I'm Leah. And it is spooky season. We were actually just talking about this and we both love spooky season. Well, I probably a lot more than Leah. I mean, I like 

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To decorate for Halloween. 

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Yeah. I definitely have an affinity to spooky season. As Leah got here to record, I was watching ghost Tobar on the travel channel. I have a problem. I admit it. I'm very weird. Yeah, today. Okay. Okay. 

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Today, just 

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So we're clear. I mean, I don't need the attack right now. I don't. I'm sorry. I don't need to feel judged. It's fine. It's true. We still want to give you free stuff guys. Absolutely. We are sending some free stuff out to someone in the mail today and we want to give you free stuff too. And Leah, what do they have to do? They have 

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I'm not gonna tell you how to mix it. I'm not going to tell you how to live your life. Nope. I will tell you if you have caramel vodka though, add it. It's delicious. I make the strength. It's apple cider ginger ale and vodka like caramel vodka. Hey, you didn't do that today. I finished the caramel vodka last night. I'm sorry. I can't help it. I got to tell my boyfriend at grubs caramel. Fuck on the way here to save 

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For your 

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Friends. I get that next recording. Hey, next recording. We're recording our Halloween episode. So you better bring it. We'll have some caramel vodka for that recording. We might tell them where costume. We'll try to record it at night. We have so unintentionally, I was telling you this, when she got here today, unintentionally, I somehow made all of our episodes for October spooky. I don't know how I did it. I don't know subconscious. Well, and the thing is, is like I didn't, I didn't plan that when I did these episodes. Yeah, yeah. I really didn't. And then when I was researching them, I was like, oh, oh, oh, oh, okay. 

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So we have some good episodes for you in the month of October. We discussed before how Leah and I love spooky season. We love fall. We are fall people. Winter fall is like a hair looks great when it's cold. That's true. You're getting to the season where you don't have to worry so much about yeah. Y'all hair is really currently. Y'all have not seen Leah yet. Leah has red curly hair. Think of like Marietta. Their death mattered that our Scottish murder friends are laughing at us right now, too. But so it's not as long as it used to be, but it's still, like you said, it's not as curly hair. 

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Well, if I cut it, like if I cut it short, 

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We talked about this in the last episode, when you had a Bob bad time for all of us 

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That like, it, it just sticks out. As far as it is 

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Only, it was in the band. I was in band. I see the photos. So clearly in my head 

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Enough to remember the fry kids from McDonald's. That was me and I had glasses and they were round. So I was called fry kid and also mushroom. 

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It says that that's I'm sorry. 

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I still don't eat mushrooms. 

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Nope. We, my, so my boyfriend, we've kind of talked about this on a previous episode. My boyfriend's a cook and not like an actual chef, but he should be, cause he's that good at cooking. And it's amazing. And that is what I've benefit from in this relationship. And he gave 

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Me hasn't gained weight there. So that is, that 

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Is true. And that is honestly a marriage we've been together for over a year now. So that is truly the miracle that it should be. He always jokes because usually by the time he cooks, I'm always like, I'm starving. And he's like, what did you eat today? And Ali, like, I didn't eat a whole lot, except guys I'm real ADT. And if I'm working and I'm focused on one thing and I took her on medicine, like I just kind of forget about other things. I forget about food. And well, especially if I'm at work, I don't think so much, 

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But I have, I've started taking medicine and I got here and I said, yeah, I picked up some Chick-Filet on the way because I realized I haven't eaten today, 

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Pulled out the champagne and Leah goes, I got to eat before 

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Lenny scarf, my chicken nuggets, because I'm, it will be bad for all of us. 

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Leah's wine glasses is the smaller version of my wineglass. I don't think she noticed yet. I have this cute little wine glass that was from pier one that I got in. Like when we did our like secret Santa is for the office and your own. No, I didn't. Someone else got me. Yes. And somebody else got me. And so it's this cute little, a raccoon with his little hands by his mouth. And it says who me and it's precious. And they're my favorite glass. I Leah knows how much I love a good like wine glass or a good pint glass that has an animal on it. 

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How many wine and or pint glasses or just glasses did you get? We went to Hamilton. 

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I bought two coffee cups, a pint glass and a shot glass. And the shot glass says I'm not throwing away my shot. And then the pint glass says, raise a glass to freedom. And my boyfriend saw it and he goes, they really knew what target audience. They was like, they did no, but Leah bought me like four years ago. Maybe she bought me this pint glass that had an Otter on it. And I use it's like my, it was my safety, like comfort glass whenever I was in a bad mood. And I used it so many times the Otter's gone and it's so sad. 

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And so now it's just a plain glass with nothing on it used to be able to kind of see like the outline of the Otter it's gone. It's a really sad, I don't like to talk about it. I didn't 

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Know that it 

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Did. And I've had guys like seriously, she won't let me in the, I can't, I'm so sad looking at me. 

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I 

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Have to get her for Christmas. I'm not an emotional person guys, but I have weird emotional attached. I know to get you for Christmas baby. It's okay. It's been in my Amazon cart for a while. Cause I found, I found the same cup. And so making sure that it doesn't, I know that's why I found it. And so it's been sitting like in my Amazon, like save for later cart, like for a while. But anyways, I have weird connections to specific things like for my birthday this year, not only did Leah buy me a Muff, but she also, she also purchased a, she bought me an Otter. 

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Well, she adopted me in honor. And so I have, I have an adopted art. I have a, a big problem with otters problem. So one of the pot, that's true. So one of the podcasts that I'll listen to Ali and I were just talking about it before. And I know guys, if y'all listen to our podcast, you have to listen to them. They're not as they cuss a whole lot more than we do. So on the podcast, we don't, if we ever have a live show, it's going to be real hard because I'm going to have to tell people, look, you don't have to worry about me friends. 

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And I'd be like, all right, don't bring me kids, period. Your kids shouldn't be listening to a murder podcast, but I'm not here to tell you how to be a parent. My kid, anyways, one of her books that she bought from the book fair was a scary stories from under the bed. And I was real proud. The other one was mermaid. What was it? Mermaid cook a mermaid cookbook for major unicorns. It was mermaid it's like mermaid cookbook or something. And I suddenly a photo of the mermaid cookbook she's wearing did she is so, but yeah, if we ever have a live show, people are just going to have to accept the fact that I probably will have partaken in some drinks before the live show. 

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Cause I get real nervous and, and just going to have to accept that. They're just going to really hear us on screen. We're unscripted. Anyway, I'm just more tame on scripted. But so anyways, Aliyah adopted me an Otter. And so this podcast that I listened to called an that's, why we drink with Christina and M they did an episode last year. I want to say it was November, December of 2020 that they did an episode in M covered. I think it's called a Shaka, which is like they say, it's like a, an Otter kind of like, how's the best way to describe it. 

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That is a new word to me. I do not know big foot, but like an Otter. Interesting. So a human size Otter. Oh man, that's terrifying. It is not terrifying. It would be my best friend. First of all. And then Christine on the show, she's like, I am, she gets like real emotional, even thinking about certain animals and she loves elephants. Like she has an elephant tattoo and all this stuff. Well, she really loves otters. And so M was like, do you still want to really love them? Or like, can I continue? And Christine goes, can I just love them for another second? 

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And then she proceeded into the children, won't understand what this means. So it's fine otters or necrophiliac towards their own kind. And, and they might be slightly aggressive listening to it. And I want it to say, I heard this episode before and I think my mind seriously weird dream was no, but my mind seriously, like mentally blocked this out. And so I was listening to it seriously when I got off work Friday and I was at Publix. 

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I w when I go out in public, I was well, so I always have my like one air pod in when I'm out in public, because I'm really add. And I, my thoughts don't like me sometimes. So I have to hear other that's the best thing I could ever say as far as anxiety, but it's true. And so when I'm out in public, sometimes I have to have, like, I can't, I can't be quiet. Like, it can't be silent. So I have to listen. I have one air pod in constantly. So if anybody ever sees me out in public and I have an air pod in, like, that's not it. 

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I only have one in, I don't have two in and it's still let me set up. That doesn't mean like, don't talk to me or anything, but I've just, I have to in yourself from talking to you. Yes. And so I was listening to it in Publix, and it's one of those things that like, I'll never forget where I was standing when I heard this about otters. And then I got back out to my car and Christine, she was like, I'm so upset that I now know this. And she was talking about how everyone loved dolphins before they found out about dolphins and now otters have become the same thing. And she M him, she goes, you cannot tell me anything. 

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Like, she donates regularly to like elephant sanctuaries. And she's like, really like into elephants and has an elephant tattoo. And that's like, her animal kind of like otters are for me. And she was like, for me, yes. And, and if you've ever seen the Kristen bell soft video, just put, just put Lee in it and we're good. And so I'm in the car and she goes, I hear it like connected into my car. And Christine goes, why do all of the things that I love have to turn out bad? And she goes, well, I mean, people are serial killers. So I guess it just goes across all species. 

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But no, I did not have a dream about an ECRO. Phillip Otter. I had another dream where me and Leo went to a show and I thought we were going to see a Broadway show. And so did Leah. And then it turned out to be some kind of Colt church intervention. And I was like, what is this? This is not when we started Jones town, Waco drank the Kool-Aid, you're drinking the Kool-Aid because I made Leah's drink. But so she didn't. So I know we've ranted enough at the beginning of the show, but it spooky season and we're real happy about it. So it's the best I have like a real, for those of you don't know, we've discussed how Leah and I are very different as people. 

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And it's real Linda. She is alphabet true, which I loved. We had a review this week that someone did of us are Rocky and we love them. And the review was so sweet. It was like, you can really tell that their friends, like that's true, because we're so mean to each other, but we love each right. So yeah, no, I didn't have weird dreams about that. I have weird dreams in general, but not about that. So other than that, Leah just terrified me saying that she saw a personal, I could have been a ghost. Oh, the back, the back gate is opened. I'm sorry. Is that gates open? Yes. 

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Sorry. We had like some really bad rain this past week. So anyways, my back gate to my backyard, it's not usually open, but anyways, Lee terrified me. I was like, I was like, I've been here for every year. I haven't seen a ghost yet. Don't tell me that. She's the one now spooky season. There's a person I did ask the family that I bought the house from the wonderful lady who lived here before me died here. I had, I had to ask because, so for those who don't know, and I think we have talked about it, but if you ever go to buy a house, always ask if something negative happened in the house. Like if there's a death or a murder or anything like that, because depending on the state you live in, they are not legally required to tell you that the man that owned the house before me died in my bedroom, well, it was like a natural death. 

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So if it's a natural death, typically that's not something that people are concerned with because there's so many houses that people probably died a natural death. And, but if the lovely woman who lived here, if she died here, it would have been because of an accident that she had. And so that's why I was curious. But yes, in some states that you live in, they are not legally required to tell you if something like a murder or anything happened in the house, always ask before he buy the house, we know someone who did not, and it was not good. So just always do that. But yeah, before I moved in here, the granddaughter was the closing secretary for the place that I was at. 

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And I was like, Hey, I don't, I don't mean to be weird or insensitive, but, and she just looks at me and she goes, she didn't die in the house. And I was like, oh, okay, good. Cause I mean, that's fine. I mean, I'm cool to be friends with Ms. Betty. Like, I just need to know if she likes the golden girls or what she wants to watch while I'm not there. I don't want weird things happening around the house, but I have two cats. So let me tell you, if anything weird goes down, they're going to make sure that they creepily look in a corner. So anyways, we've gone off on a tangent. It's fine. This week, we are in the year of 1820, and we are in episode 22. 

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And if you saw by the episode title, you can see as well, we are talking about Lavinia Fisher. Amenia Levenia love it. Would you like to know what she holds the title as what is her title? America's first female serial killer, or is she we'll see our sources this week, the website Charleston terrors, which I love it murder by Gaslight, which is always a favorite ghost city tours and SyFy wire. Which again, if you listen to, and that's why we drink, you know, that scifi is Saifai, you know how scifi channel change it to S Y F Y AM's dad on the show calls it a SyFy network. 

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So Saifai wire did a article on it and they called it Levenia Fisher America's first female serial killer. That wasn't, that wasn't that wasn't. So we will see how we all agree to it. Let's go on to our events in 1820 in March 15th of that year, Maine was admitted as the 23rd us state always wanted to visit Maine. I think they are. I always thought that Maine would be really pretty like light houses, but also lighthouses are kind of creepy. Anyways, I went to bar Harbor. I always hear that they have really a good lobster. And I just want to know if that's true. First lobster I had was in Maine. 

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Interesting. Well, March 26, Joseph Smith, do you know, does that name ring a bell to you? Joseph Smith? I know a lot of Smiths. Well, well, Joseph Smith, John Smith, we all should know John Smith, but Joseph Smith was the future Mormon church leader and yes, on March 26th, 1820, he had his first vision in a wooded area in New York. 

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His was a secluded vision. 

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Yes, April 24th. The land act of 1820. It's all this 

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Perfect date. I'm sorry. It's true. Oh, you miss congeniality fans got that? 

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Not too hot. Not too cold. All you need is a light jacket, 

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Jacket, sweater, something. 

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Oh gosh. Anyway. Sorry. We all are getting us in rare foreign today. I know. I'm sorry guys. We have two episodes to record today. Just be on the lookout. So sorry. Anyways, the land activate Dean 20, reduce the price of land in the Northwest territory and Missouri territory, which encouraged Americans to settle in the west. June 28th, 1820, a very interesting event occurred. The tomato was proven to not be poisonous by Colonel Robert Gibbon. When he ate a tomato on the steps of the courthouse in Salem, New Jersey, I 

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Was going to ask if it was proven to be, not be a 

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Vegetable. No, not poisonous, 

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Still debating for this fuller 

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Fruits. Still August 7th, the 1820 United States census was conducted in the population was 11 million, 176,475. Go ahead and point out here that almost over half of those are slaves anyway. Yeah, unfortunate times, but we'll continue. August 7th, the first potatoes were planted in Hawaii, August 14th, the first eye hospital called the New York eye infirmary was opened in New York city, November 7th, James Monroe was reelected as president. 

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He had no major opponent. This was the third and last election or a presidential candidate ran essentially unopposed. How's that possible? Well, it's not anymore, but that was kind of when there was an emerging two party system, but there wasn't a, it was kind of like there were four people in the running and they all kind of just ran against each other instead of there being two main opponents in the race. So it's just weird. Yeah. He essentially ran on a post November 18th and Artico was seen by us Navy, captain Nathaniel Palmer, December 15th, the first general. 

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This is a word, sorry if I say it wrong, Pharmacopia maybe word it was published in Boston, Massachusetts. It is a book, especially it's an official publication containing a list of medicinal drugs with their effects and directions for use December 20th, Missouri imposed. I just find this funny Missouri imposed a $1 bachelor tax on unmarried men between the ages of 21 and $51, which wasn't a small amount of money then, but they had a bachelor tax where you, if you were a bachelor, you had to pay more money in taxes, which is interesting. 

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So was there a spinster tax? No. So the same year Mount Rainier also erupted that's what's now in Seattle, Washington, or what is now considered Seattle Washington. It's not like the mountain moved and in the same year, Indiana university was founded as the Indiana state seminary and renamed Indiana college in 1864. And then later renamed Indiana university. Yes. For any of those who were following up from one of our very previous episodes, probably eight episodes ago. Yes. I have now seen almost all of the Indiana Jones movies except for the last one, because my boyfriend says that it's garbage and he refuses to let me watch it. 

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There were a couple of funny lines, but really you don't, you don't need to solely you push off in a movie. Anyways, we're watching, we're watching clear and present danger and of course, Harrison Ford. And I was like, we were watching it and I went, I get it. Now he was hot. I mean, Harrison Ford anyways, scar on the lip. I mean, so our births in 1820, February 15th, Susan B, Anthony was born. She is an American social reformer and women's rights activist. She became the New York state agent for the American anti-slavery society. 

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She was an Aquarius, March 24th. Leah's abouts, laugh. Fanny Crosby was born. We were discussing earlier the word Fanny and how yes, we are well aware the different terminologies, that word in different places. Cause we were discussing another word. That means something quite different in Australia than it does here. So Fanny Crosby was born. She was an American mission worker, poet and lyricist. She wrote over 8,000 hymns and gospel songs. They were published under 200 different pseudonyms because of publishers were hesitant to publish so many with the same name. 

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Interesting. Yes. So, and you will, eh, anybody who is a religious person or took part in, you know, going to church when they were younger, you would know Fanny Crosby as the person who wrote the song, bless it assurance. And she was an Aries. So April 8th, we have John Taylor Johnston. He was an American businessmen and patron of the arts president of the central railroad of New Jersey. And one of the founders of the metropolitan museum of art in New York city. 

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So MoMA, any of those who are wondering if, if you don't know what the metropolitan museum of art is, the met gala was recently and that is the metropolitan museum of art. He was an Aries, interesting attire. I know the gala there, which they all have interesting names. They have themes every year, past 

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Theme, lots of people didn't understand 

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The assignment. No one understands the assignment every year because they always say what the theme is 

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Here or the last, last, yeah, the last time they had it, the, the assignment was understood. But this year the assignment was not. 

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My favorite meme of all time is the one of Kendall Jenner and Kim Kardashians because Kim Kardashian was wearing completely, all black, even covering her face. The best means to ever come out that she was a Dementor anyways. Yes. So fun. You seen it before I send it to you? No, I had not. But gosh, I thought it, when I saw it, I was like, Ooh, Ooh, Ooh, 

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So awesome. I saw it and I was like, oh, Kayla needs to see 

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This. So dear mentor, I saw one and it was Kendall Jenner. You know, she had like her really beautiful, like white dress, like in crusted and in Swarovski crystals and everything. And it said, it said how everyone sees me. And then it was Kim Kardashian and all blocks standing beside her. And it said my podcast playlist. So April 17th, Alexander Cartwright was born. He's the founding member of the New York Knickerbockers baseball club in the 1840s. And he is referred to as the father of baseball. 

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Interesting. He was also an Aries, a lot of areas this way. All three out of the four were areas. So interesting. Our deaths in 1820, February 5th, we have William Ellery. He was a signer of the declaration of independence and chief justice of the Rhode Island Supreme court. September 3rd, we have Benjamin Latrobe. He was a true, yes. He was a British American architect who designed the us Capitol in DC. Hmm. Interesting. September 26. Let's see, there's an American pioneer and Explorer whose frontier exploits made him one of the first folk heroes of the United States. 

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I didn't put here. That was in here. Pretty sure as David Crockett, Davy David, I think, I don't know who knows frontier. I didn't apparently put it in here. So I lost that tune. I'm sorry. I lost the tune. It's all right. For those of you who don't know, mercury retrograde has really hit us by storm over here as my laptop decided to die this week and we're borrowing someone else's so trying to do all of this in one take and sorry, don't don't know who that American pioneer was. I would know the name. It was September 26th, 1820. Anyways, I'll move on to the next one while he is looking that up so we can figure out what that was. 

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26, 18 25, 18 20. They died September 29th bar Ptolemy LeFon was a Creole architect, engineer, city planner, and surveyor in new Orleans, Louisiana. He had a double life and while he was a surveyor of new Orleans, he also was a privateer, smuggler and pirate. Did you figure out who died on that day? Daniel Boone. There we go. Just kidding. Not Davy Crockett, not even close Daniel Boone named for Boone, North Carolina. 

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It's what I always remember from big bang theory. When Sheldon's trying to figure out where he's going to move to. And he said, each year they have, they have a festival commemorating their founder, Daniel Boone. And he goes, that sounds like too much of a party. So Boone north Carolina's out. So back to Ptolemy LeFon like I said, he was an architect, but also how to double life. He is buried apple life. Yes, he is buried in St. Louis cemetery. Number one in new Orleans. Well, Bernie who don't know here's a little, I try, I really wanted our Halloween episode to be about St. 

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Louis cemetery. Number one. And I was really hoping, really hoping that it was like built in that year. It wasn't, it was built way before anyways, it was the whole thing, but St. Louis cemetery. Number one is the most famous cemetery in new Orleans. I'm saying all this off the top of my head. Cause it's just what I remember is weird person that I am. That is where Marie Laveau is buried. She was a voodoo priestess. That's also where Nicholas Cage's resting place is. Lee has given me where it looks for any of those of y'all who don't know the weird stories about Nicholas cage. He bought two mansions in new Orleans. He also bought a cemetery plot and it is the Leah. 

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Go ahead and Google it. Google Nicholas Cage's mausoleum. Go ahead. Y just you'll you'll see when you see it. So he bought we're going to cover her, but he bought two different mansions in the city. And this was after national treasure. Well, he kind of didn't pay his taxes for those properties that he had and they got taken back by the city. Well, there is one law in the United States that the government cannot take away your final resting place. So Nicholas cage still has his grave and it is in the St. 

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Louis cemetery. Number one in new Orleans, you can take tours of that cemetery just because I find cemeteries in new Orleans, fascinating. And you can see his final resting place and isn't it tacky. It is a pyramid. It's a pyramid. Yes. So there are lots of famous, like really fascinating people who are buried in that cemetery. The main one that people know of is Marie Laveau and yes, she was a voodoo high priestess who was buried there. She she's very, very well known in new Orleans. It said that she haunts a lot of places in that area. And then Madame Lawler, Marie, we will cover in a later episode, Leah, that will be an episode that she is not a part of much like our heart brothers case. 

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Cause Leah cannot handle it. But Madame Laurie has a, or had a mansion in new Orleans that is very famous. If you go on any ghost tour in new Orleans, you will see it. You will hear about it. And Nicholas cage owned it for a short period of time and he remodeled it. And in lovely Nicholas cage fashion, he covered everything in crushed red velvet. There's now a Texas oil tycoon who owns it. And he hates that people do ghost tours of it. So every year he's not there very often, but the times that he is, is like Mardi Gras and new year's and stuff like that. 

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He always has super wild parties and he hires like audio equipment people to come out and he points all of the loudspeakers out towards the street because it's not kind he does. She does it. So that ghost tours can't stop across the street because you cannot cross on that side. One. It said that if you cross underneath where, which the way that it's done in new Orleans is the overhang of the balconies of the home or over the sidewalk. And it said that you'll be cursed if you walk underneath them. But also because it's also considered private property, you can't do a ghost tour there. 

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So they hashed you on the other side of the street, I've been on a ghost tour, new Orleans, very fascinating, very fun, highly recommended. If you ever go 

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00:36:10

To new Orleans, always 

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00:36:12

Wanted to go. Neither has my boyfriend. He's never been, but he also says that he never wants to go. But one of the coolest places that I've ever been, it's one of the few places that you can go and you can truly feel like you went back to a different time, which much like one of the places we will discuss today and we're about to get into it. So February 18th of 18, 20 Lavinia 

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00:36:36

Fisher, levinea 

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00:36:40

AKA, the first female serial killer in the United States was hanged in Charleston, South Carolina for murder and robbery. 

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00:36:48

I feel like she was in Charleston. It would have been pronounced Lavinia. 

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00:36:53

Well, yeah, I dunno Levine. So as I just said, we are in Charleston and this is one of my favorite places that I've never visited. 

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00:37:03

I've visited there. Can't tell you much about it. 

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00:37:06

My next line literally says Lee has been there though. dot.dot. 

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00:37:14

Go 

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00:37:14

Ahead. Go tell the people about your trip to Charles. 

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00:37:18

Well, you see, 

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00:37:21

Well you, as we call it to Charleston on a very exciting trip, her honeymoon, 

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00:37:27

Dan, and before we make any funny jokes, I went there on my 

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00:37:34

Honeymoon. They've already made them 

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00:37:38

With their on my honeymoon and, and, and I didn't see much of Charleston, but it's not. It's not the typical reason that you would think because I wasn't even the moon. You see Timmy, when you live just south of Birmingham and you traveled to Charleston and you stopped for lunch on the other side of Atlanta, there is a time change. And so when you stop at noon, your time and you stop at a lunch buffet at a pizza hut, when you are young and stupid and your new husband decides he wants to get macaroni salad. 

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00:38:29

Oh, 

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00:38:31

I didn't know what the food 

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00:38:33

Was. Friends. Now. I don't really love macaroni salad any way. That's never been a thing that I have enjoyed. We have some 

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00:38:41

In the fridge. Would you like to reminisce? 

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00:38:43

I mean, I've never really liked it. Anyway. My husband does not eat anymore. 

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00:38:49

Take it home to him. Tell him for all time, say it's been 20 years. Michael is fine. He would probably, 

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00:38:55

He hit me and he does not hit me. My husband does not hit me, but okay. So it had been out for an hour because it was 12 o'clock Alabama time, but it was one o'clock in Atlanta. Okay. So he ate that. So we pull into Charleston and he's like, Ooh, I didn't know about summit. So me this nervous pulling into a city, you know, y'all we were in, we had been gifted our honeymoon by some friends. And so we were in the historic district in a historic hotel. It was beautiful. Like valet parking. They, they took our car for us. 

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00:39:35

Beautiful room, had the steps to get up into the canopy bed, had a beautiful fireplace in the room. On the end. It had like a little walkway on either side. And there's a little sitting room in the room on the other side of the fireplace with a little balcony. It was beautiful. And we go, and we, we kind of, we walked a little bit in the city. Not really far. He was like, Ooh, we gotta get back to the room. My something's not feeling real good. And it starts Franz. He had food poisoning. 

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00:40:11

I text Leah earlier this week and I said, at no context whatsoever, I said, honey, so all of Charleston that Leah did not get to see for those of you who don't know. And Leah also does not know cause she didn't get to see any of it. But Charleston is the largest city in Charleston county in South Carolina. And we got 

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00:40:42

To see one day of it. Oh, one day. 

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00:40:44

Yeah. Yeah. 

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00:40:45

The last day, like we, we spent like the whole time in the hotel room and, and he wouldn't let me go and get him anything because you know, 

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00:40:58

I'll just, I'll just, I'll be ready. I'll be right back. Okay. I'll stay here. 

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00:41:03

I was 21 and he, when it was at night that he was sick. And so he wouldn't let me go to the gas station against the Gatorade or anything. I called him, I talked to his momma more on our honeymoon than I did, you know, before that. And I was like, well, I'm going to be abroad in a widow in the span of a week. So this is awesome. 

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00:41:19

I hope you got life insurance. 

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00:41:21

Oh, we ha I mean, John, so by the way, Hawaiian punch, not the same thing as Gatorade. 

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00:41:29

No, not at all. Oh, 

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00:41:32

It was bad. Oh. And lock myself out of the room. My key didn't work to get back in the room with said Hawaiian punch. So I had to make him come open the door for me. It was all bad. So yeah. But that one day we shopped and he was like, are we about done? I said, I'm sorry, you spent your days being sick. So here we are, we're going to do the market. So anyway, yeah. Beautiful city. From what we saw, we did, we did a carriage tour and it was great. 

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00:41:59

I want to go to Charleston. I also want to go to Savannah. Savannah. Savannah 

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00:42:06

Is beautiful. I didn't take me to Savannah. And it was great. 

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00:42:09

My boyfriend has been my boyfriend's from Georgia and my boyfriend's been to Savannah because he apparently, when he was in college, dated someone on the city council. So anyways, this beautiful 

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00:42:22

From what I saw Charleston is I'd like to really get to experience it more. 

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00:42:29

So it is south of the geographical mid-point of south Carolina's coastline on Charleston Harbor king, Charles, the second granted a charter of the province of Carolina in 1663. And one of the cities created out of this was Charles town. Charles town became the first comprehensively planned town in the 13 colonies in may of 17, 18, Charles town was taken over by the pirate black beard for several days until he released hostages and left in exchange for a chest of medicine from the governor, Robert Johnson in colonial times, the main industries were pine timber, tobacco deer, skin trade, and pitch for ships, which is 

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00:43:19

Tar 

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00:43:20

Makes sense. Eventually the town went from Charles town to Charles town and then eventually to Charles 10 in the 1770s, the city had the largest population south of Philadelphia. Let's not get into how half of that population were slaves, but removing on America's first theater building was constructed in the town in 1736 and today the dock street theater is in its original location. We can't talk about Charleston without discussing the architecture, of course, beautiful, gorgeous, April 27th, 1838 Charleston had a major fire which burned more than a thousand buildings and caused $3 million in damage at the time today, that would be over $88 million in damage. 

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00:44:16

The buildings damaged accounted for one fourth of all businesses in the main part of the city before the fire, there were very few homes or businesses that embraced kind of that Greek revival architecture. And once the city to rebuild, there was a major cultural awakening, which built the Charleston that we now know today. So Gothic revival, styles crept their way in, and you mainly see this kind of construction in churches in the area. So if you're thinking of the Gothic revival style, let me think of Notredame, kind of that really Gothic style of building, which pride when I saw, no, it was one of the sites. 

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00:44:58

Are you saying they, they they're rebuilding? Yes. It's taken a while, but they're actually, they're rebuilding a fun fact for any of those of you who don't know right after a Notredame, you know, caught on fire. And it was really sad and tragic. The video game Assassin's creed had built. They did a, a reconstruction of Notredame and one of their video games. It is so accurate to Notredame that the people rebuilding Notredame have been using the video game as production. And they, for so many days after Notredame burned, the creators of Assassin's creed made the game completely free so that people could see the inside of Notre Notredame. 

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00:45:42

Really cool. Very good video game for any of those viewers who don't know. So this is another city. Again, I could go on and talk about forever. As you can tell, there's so much, that's fascinating, but Charleston is a Southern town that really kind of embraces who they are and they celebrate it. It's well-known in art music and in food. Charleston is known for seafood and pulls from Creole influences as well with gumbo, low country, boil shrimp and grits, et cetera. Some of those across the pond might think that these things are disgusting. If you never tried shrimp and grits, just to shut your mouth. I don't want to hear it. 

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00:46:23

One of the fists might get my boyfriend to make that this weekend. Ooh, am I getting to make a scallops and grids anyways, I'll continue. The town's theater group is the oldest in the country and has been performing since 1931. They are called the foot light players. Music is a staple in Charleston with it being a hub for the jazz community. You know, think of the songs Charleston and the S the Charleston rap. The Jenkins orphanage was established in 1891 by Reverend Daniel date, Daniel J not Daniel Day Lewis, Daniel J. Jenkins. 

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00:47:07

It took donations of musical instruments and Reverend Jenkins hired local musicians to tutor the children of the orphanage and music because of Reverend Jenkins work, Charleston became an area which had a variety of musicians across different instruments and made them experts in reading music as well. The Jenkins orphanage band played on Broadway and in the inaugural parades of both president, Theodore Roosevelt and William Taft. That's cool. I can not discuss Charleston without bringing up the Gullah community or also known as the Geechee community. 

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00:47:52

I hope I'm saying that right for the show Gullah Gullah island, we are about to discuss, oh, okay. I don't want to offend anyone. And I hope that like, Gullah community is like the right verbiage. I really like, I don't, I don't know from everything that I could find and everything that I could see Golo was like the accepted term. I'm not a hundred percent sure. And I really am billing off of the research. You were like, yes. And I apologize if that's not like correct terminology, personally, this is one of my favorite communities to look into and discuss. This is a, it is mostly a black community whose region spans from Cape fear and North Carolina to Jacksonville, Florida. 

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00:48:33

And they are known to live on the coastal plain or islands right off of the coast. Gullah is sometimes referred to as the language spoken by this community. And it is a mixture of Creole language with African influence. From what I found the community does have a strong belief in Hoodoo practices and believe in herbal medicine, which you don't know her personally. So there's nothing wrong with that. And it's one of those communities that really does have a hard, hard belief in Hoodoo and a lot of natural remedies, different things like that. And they are also very superstitious. 

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00:49:15

They originally had the custom of painting, porch ceilings, hint blue, and that's haint H a I N T. And it is a beautiful, beautiful color. It is a pale shade of blue green, which is to deter haints or haunts ghosts and bad energy. The thought behind it is that it mimics the look of either water or the sky, which tricks the energy or spirit, because it's traditionally believed that ghosts cannot cross the water. This is a superstition that many southerners have taken on, but it was originally from the Gola culture. And actually that is very, very true. 

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00:49:57

A lot of Southern home will have a blue roof on their like blue ceiling on their front porch. And it is really cool. It is a superstition just really pretty to, it's very pretty just also like having an upside down broom beside your front door, which is also to keep away any bad energy in your home. And if you've watched, never heard that. Yes. That's why as people with the cinnamon brooms that are out that are really popular during October cinnamon, cinnamon, and cloves, and those kinds of smells are also known for like really good luck. And cinnamon brooms are also really popular at this time of the year because of that. But if you see someone who has a upside down broom beside their front door, they're typically superstitious because it helps keep away any negative energy from coming in the home. 

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00:50:48

If you're also a fan of practical magic, you should also know that keeping Rosemary by your front door also does the same thing. I did not know that there is Rosemary by my front door. So let's see some notable figures whose roots originate in the goal of community are Michelle Obama trick. Daddy should, everybody should know you probably don't. But anyways, Leah doesn't know who that is. And Chris rock 

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00:51:17

So ugly to make your stay. I wish you had a scene. She looked down her nose at me when she said you 

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00:51:25

Probably don't. I really don't. I mean, I'm just being a dumb, 

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00:51:28

But the way you said it was not, huh? 

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00:51:31

You've guys may paint Starbursts. I'm going to have to treat me as set. I'm going to have to introduce Leah to the song. Let's go. Cause that song it'll get your height, especially on game day. If you were like me and you were a Nickelodeon kid, then you know, like Leah Love de Gullah Gullah island. As soon as I saw Gullah, I was like, oh, like gold, gold island. Oh my gosh. It was such a good show. Okay. 

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00:52:00

Yes. I know Gullah Gullah because your kids, kids babysat for new bill, a Gullah island. 

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00:52:08

I then go look cause the little frog always said <inaudible> at the end. Anyways, such a good show. It was on Nickelodeon from 1994 to 1998. They also had a spinoff show that was called <inaudible> for a little while. And the only proof that it actually existed is like one like ten second clip that you can find on the internet. Like it it's completely gone. It's very weird. Y I don't know, but it, it wasn't a show that took off after Gullah Gullah island, but I loved Gullah Gullah island. 

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00:52:48

It was cute shows. I loved the frog. So it was this massive, like one of the main characters, his name was <inaudible> and he was a frog and he was massive. And he was a yellow frog that had like green spots on him or in spots, he had green and orange. They were like orange spots, but they had like green on the outside of them. Ugh. Such a good show. You got to love it. But yeah, Gullah Gullah island was one of any other Nickelodeon kids out there probably have that. Our millennials probably had a nice flashback thinking about Gullah Gullah island. But anyways, we'll get to Charleston. It's home to many historical buildings and attractions. 

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00:53:29

Most people immediately know rainbow row. You can look up rainbow row on Instagram and you can see thousands of Instagram influencers who were there taking photos. It is houses that are, you know, they are brightly colored and they are they're row homes that are brightly colored, but you can find them anywhere just type in rainbow rogue. And you will find them on Google. They are very, very, pretty, very like pastel colored, bright houses. 

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00:53:57

I can only be in the, in the historic, correct. They can only be specific historically colors, colors, and they can't have pools. They can have ponds. I remember on our core Strawn carriage tour, they were telling us, you know, they, they could have ornamental ponds, but I couldn't have pools. Like it had to be historically, specifically, 

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00:54:23

They all have to be historically accurate and all has to be approved by those Storico board in the city. But they're very, very pretty. I love a row house. So we'll get to the notable people from Charleston, or at least some of them, we have Steven Cole, bear comedian and host of the late show. I like Stephen Colbert. I think he's funny. He is not going to know who this is, but Thomas Gibson guys, and any of my criminal minds fans, you know him, you love him as SSA. Aaron Hotchner of criminal minds. He was on there for several seasons before he left. He was such a good character. Everybody loves Hotchner. 

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00:55:04

We have Shepard Fairey who is a famous graffiti artist. He is the one who created the Obama hope poster during the 2009 election. 

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00:55:16

Very simple and crisp 

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00:55:18

Ver he did a very good job on that post. That was one of the most iconic. What do you call it? Campaign posters, Robert smalls. He is an American politician, publisher and maritime pilot, born into slavery and freed himself. He went on to help convince Abraham Lincoln to accept black soldiers into the union army. And last, but certainly not least a man whose name needs no further explanation. If you love Hamilton, like we do John Lawrence, I'll let you know what, 

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00:55:55

When you said that he, the guy 

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00:55:58

I thought of Robert smalls, I immediately thought of John Lawrence. For those of you who don't know yes. For those of you who don't know John Lawrence, he was wonderful. But one of his biggest things that he wanted to do was create an all black army. And so, and then he died anyways. It's tragic. So we'll get onto our story for this week. The story of Lavinia Fisher is one that Charlestonians might know very well. If you were to go on any ghost tour, or if you look into the true crime history of the city, you will find Levenia Fisher like everything else. There are a few stories to go along with the infamy of Levenia. 

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00:56:39

We're going to go through the more widely known and accepted story about her. And then we'll discuss the possible discrepancies afterwards. And she is a little bit of a controversial character. That's always fun. Love it. In 1819, the country was still considered young and highway men were rampant around a highly traveled area. We discussed highway men in the Merryweather episode and in the harp brothers episode, the harp brothers were known as highway men as well. They were good. The, no, they were, I, women were essentially what the heart brothers tried to be with a lot less murder. 

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00:57:20

Another good name for them would be like a road pirate, like physical, like, or a dirt pirate. Somebody who they kind of prey on people as they're traveling kind of much like pirates would on the scene. Or if you want to just be plain and boring, you can call them bandits, I suppose, not as fun of a name, but whatever. We had a horse named abandoned, that's a good name for a horse. His dad's 

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00:57:43

Name was judge 

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00:57:46

It's good name for a horse too. They waited on travelers to pass and then they would Rob them of any valuables before letting them pass. If you know, Monty, Python's the holy grail. It's kind of like the none shall pass night. That's kind of what Is, but describe, we were talking about Monty Python earlier and I, and I totally, I said it's actually in our episode regarding today. It's so funny. I think I'll go for a 

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00:58:24

Walk. 

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00:58:30

Oh my gosh. Such a good movie. Monty Python is one of those movies, the holy grail specifically, because there's a lot of Monty Python movies. You, Monty Python, you have to watch and not expect a lot out of, and you also have to be willing to laugh. It really stupid things like them, riding horses, but not right. Like they, so what they would do is they would quote, ride horses. But so the production value for it is so low. They didn't have horses. So these men with like, you know, kind of how you would like trot with your feet, they would have their handout in front of them. 

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00:59:12

And they would make the noises of horses, trotting, but they're not, not riding horses there anyways. Took it. If you ever go to watch, sometimes it's on Netflix, but we watched me and my boyfriend, we watched the life of Brian. That was a really good one. He was the one that was born the same day as Jesus. But he was in the wise men, the wise men come to him first. And his mom is like, yes, this is him. This is the one that was born. And then they figure out like, it's not Jesus. And they it's funny anyways. And so it's yeah, life of Brian. You have to watch it. It's really funny. So, but yeah, that's kind of what it reminds me of is the night and a holy grail. 

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00:59:57

They fit that these are known to be very close friends with the subject of our case today. Very little known as about it. Very little is known about Lavinia's early life. Other than that, she was born in 1793. She went on to marry John Fisher and the two owned an in on the outskirts of Charleston called the six mile in or the six mile Wayfair house. This was a roadside bed and breakfast that catered to travelers who needed a rest stop for the night. The end had a place to put horses for the night and you could grab a bite to eat and then some shut eye. And those weren't the only things that took place here. 

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01:00:39

Den mini ends had a prominent gambling scene, as well as quote, other extra curricular activities of the bedroom sort. This wasn't the only in outside of Charleston though, they had similar names. There was the four mile in, there was the five mile in, there was the seven mile in real syncing theme. Charleston was a port town by this point. And it had never, never really had an ending stream of customers for the fishers to look after the best description of the end comes from a song most everyone knows and loves. 

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01:01:26

You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave the phone girl, surprise mirrors on a love. That's a growing up. So my dad was a real big fan of the Eagles. My dad's favorite song was actually Desperado, but anyways, Desperado, and then his other favorite song is also my number one favorite song, which is peace of mind by Boston. Anyways, I will continue. 

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01:02:06

So yes, you can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave is kind of one of the best ways to describe this in Lavinia was described as beautiful and charming. And these traits definitely helped her in business. She, wow. She definitely used her looks and charm to her and her husband's advantage. She was a member of a large gang of highway men who operated out of two ends near Charleston, usually the six mile Inn and the five mile in are the ones that you'll hear about her most, you know, when they discuss them, you know, it's rumored that it really wasn't an in at all, but it was just kind of a shelter for Outlaws reports started to come into the Sheriff's office that men were going missing from the six mile in, but the fishers were really popular in the area. 

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01:03:06

And surely they couldn't be to blame. There really wasn't any evidence and what their influence, the reports really didn't amount to anything Lavinia was known for inviting men to dinner and learning everything about them. She wanted to know all about what brings you to the area and how they made a living. And if they had family and all of this was of course, an attempt to find out if they had any money and if they would be missed anybody waiting at home for you, Lavinia would send them to bed with a cup of tea laced with deadly oleander. Once the men, once the men drank the tea and went to bed, trigger warning, guys, go ahead and skip forward and drink the Koolaid. 

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01:03:52

Nope, but go ahead and skip forward here. If you don't want to hear it, her husband would slip into the room while the men were passed out and cut their throat and then stab them until they were dead. There is another rumor that the tea was only meant to keep the men asleep for a few hours. And when they were almost out, Lavenia would pull a lever, the bed would collapse and drop the victim into a pit of wooden spikes. So kind of like the data and barber of Seville, for those of you who don't know, Ali Ander is a common ornamental, evergreen shrub. 

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01:04:37

It's used as a divider on golf courses. And a lot of warm states kind of like California and Florida. It reminds me almost of like an Azalea because it's like really pretty pink blooms. And they do look a lot like azaleas. It said to be toxic, even when it's dry and according to Colorado state university, a single leaf can be lethal to a child. Although death is low in humans. If it's a green oleander it only takes 0.005% of an animal's body weight to kill cattle or horses, and it can kill them almost instantly. 

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01:05:21

This can be roughly anywhere from 10 to 20 leaves for an adult horse. Wow. Yes. So it's very deadly. The fishers were anything but subtle since all of those missing had been last seen at the six mile in the sheriff, had his eyes on them and was waiting for them to slip up. He needed hard evidence. And after all, at this time there were forensics to go off of. And even if he found one of the fishers standing over a dead body, it was just circumstantial, unless he caught them in the act. Any of those of you who have seen, and I have to introduce Leah to at John Malaney since they are both Virgos John Malaney, as a skit where he talks about detective work in the old days and where he comes into the room. 

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01:06:13

And he goes, I imagine they just went in there and they looked down and they went, look at that pool of blood gross, clean it up, get red on it. It's it's really funny. So the investigation into the fishers got so desperate that they even used a Weegee board to get information when he pours back then. And he did, they even use them to get information from beyond the grave. It's either a Weegee board or a Ouija board, depending on how you see a fun fact. Mattel makes Ouija boards the game, the board game company. 

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01:06:55

So anyways, be real careful if you ever used those people. I know it's spooky season. So just be real careful, make sure that whatever you're doing with a Ouija board, make sure you just stuck, closed that off before you get done with it. So a lot of places end up getting haunted, just FYI, stop it. I'm just, I'm making sure that the people know this is spooky season. People like to do those things during spooky season. I'm making sure that none of our listeners become a cautionary tale. Okay. Thinking about them, look, I'm out. I'm into the spooky things. Leah's not aware of all of them. So I'm just making sure that our friends are fall. 

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01:07:35

Yes. Anyway, February 18, 19, a gang of vigilantes went to the six mile in hoping to scare the couple thinking. It might stop the disappearances Deland T's vigilantes. They yes or a gang, if you will. There, there weren't clear descriptions of what happened on that night, but they did make a fuss and get drunk before running back to Charleston course they did. They did leave one man behind it's unclear whether it was intentional or just a drunken list behind, behind it was intention. Well, from what I see, there's two different stories. 

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01:08:17

One says he was just kind of left behind in the shuffle. The other says it was intentional. Either rains, obviously know either way. The man's name was David Ross fun. Anyways, I have a tie to the name, Ross. So many ways he was leftover and David was attacked by two of Lavinia's men and dragged off Levenia stood over the man as he begged for mercy. But instead of helping him, she pushed his head through a window and strangled him. Somehow David escaped and ran back to Charleston to tell the sheriff what had happened. Lavinia don't play. There was also a fur trader by the name of John peoples. 

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01:08:59

He needed a place to stay for the night and stopped at the six mile Inn. He was warmly greeted by Levenia who presumably forgot all about David at this point. And because this was the same night and almost immediately, Levenia started asking questions about their nude guest. Lavinia offered him some tea. And even though he didn't like the tea, he took the cup and dumped it out. When Levenia wasn't looking, people thought that the innkeepers were being a little too nice and took his suspicions with him to bed. He wasn't able to sleep. And instead of lying on the bed, he sat in a wooden chair in the corner, facing the door with a gun in hand that was smart. 

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01:09:40

A trap door in the floor opened and the bed, he was just laying in, dropped to the floor where Mr. Fisher was standing with an app, peoples jumped out the window and ran back to Charleston to tell the police with two eye witnesses. And one night the sheriff had enough proof and almost instantly set off to arrest the fishers. I mean, that was a narrow as the authorities surrounded the house and were ready for a fight. But so they're surprised the Fisher surrendered without any incident. It said that the husband, John Fisher did not want Levenia to get hurt. So that was why they went ahead and immediately surrendered. 

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01:10:22

After the fishers were taken away by the sheriff, they searched the property with others to see if they could find anything else they could use against the fishers. And to ensure that the fishers didn't get released from custody. The sheriff went to the barn and found a freshly slaughtered cow, which was funny since a cow had been reported stolen just a few days earlier, it was speculated that the sheriff also found a trap door used by the fishers and that human remains were found at the bottom. Once the sheriff was content with his findings, he ordered for the six mile and to be burned down the main burned, burned. 

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01:11:03

The couple tried to escape the jail via a window with a rope. But when the husband John escaped and Lavinia was following him a little bit of a trigger warning here, the rope broke and it almost caused Levenia to inadvertently hang herself. The guards watched the entire event and laughed themselves as they saw the event unfold. Levenia finally fell from the rope she was hanging from and she landed back into her own cell. Oh no, John wouldn't leave Levenia behind. And he went back to the jail. We're both he'll have any hour put under tight security. It was an entire year. 

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01:11:43

From the time the couple were arrested that they were executed during the couple's hearing. They pleaded of their innocence and the jury was not having it and found them guilty. Linnea begged the judge to let her live and said that the judge couldn't hang a married woman. Well, this judge is much like me in his thinking and he found a fix to that pretty easily. We'll just hang John first. And then you won't be married anymore. The day problem-solver. He is innovator. The day of the hanging came on February 18th, 1820. And in a very dramatic fashion, Levenia insisted on being hung in her wedding dress. 

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01:12:30

Oh, marsh is dramatic. She reached the scaffolding, screaming and pleading for her life and kept insisting that she was innocent. Once she realized no one was going to help her. It said that her face immediately turned cold and she went silent. She stepped forward in the executioner, placed the noose around her neck. The last thing, the crowd blast thing she said to the crowd was if anyone has a message for hell, give it to me and I'll carry it. Oh, ma with her husband already gone, it was Lavinia's turn to follow slight trigger warning here for what happens next. 

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Levenia jumped off the scaffolding herself where she choked slowly to death as the knot didn't snap, her neck. Those in attendance said, quote, never have I seen such a wicked stare or chilling sneer. Lucifer himself was stoking the fires of the woman's sinister soul, all ma but is any of it true? There is a lot of speculation that the story of Levenia Fisher has been embellished and that Levenia, wasn't a serial killer at all. 

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So we'll go into the other missing or possibly misreported facts of the infamous Lavenia. First is that Levenia did get executed, but for highway robbery, not for murder. And she certainly didn't wear her wedding dress. Which one makes sense? Because if her house were burned down, she wouldn't have her wedding dress to hang in to begin with January 17th, 1820 is when John and <inaudible> were convicted of their charges, but the charges were for common assault and assault with intent to murder against David Ross, who is the man who was left behind and convicted of highway robbery against John peoples, who was the guest highway robbery at the time was a capital crime. 

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And this was a immediate death sentence. Before the execution, John spoke with a priest before his execution, you know, kind of, as you would typically do in these instances, he was coming to peace with the fact that he was being executed, but Levenia refused and insisted that she was innocent still. And she didn't want to see a priest. The day of the couple's execution, John had, you know, come to as much peace, I guess, as you can, with your fate and walks to the scaffolding without a fight, Lavinia refused to get out of the carriage. 

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And the guards had to drag her out, which is where she started pleading for her life and cursing at the crowd. The priest at the gallows tried to speak with Lavinia before she was hanged and try to make her peace with God. She yelled at the priest. Cece. I will have none of it. Save your words for others that want them, but if you have a message you want to send to hell, give it to me and I'll carry it. Levenia was then hanged sands, wedding dress. There were two bodies found near the six mile in after the Fisher's arrest, but they were never connected to the fishers. 

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So how did Levenia get the reputation of the first female serial killer? As I said before, Levenia was well-known but also a bit of a criminal and a little promiscuous. You also can't deny that her final version, you know, her final words before she was hung were very salacious for the time. Peter Nielsen was a Scottish businessmen who wrote a publication about the case and claimed to be at the executions of the couple. He wasn't because he didn't even live in the U S at that time. But in Nielsen's publication, he put together the dark tale of the fishers and included murder from S you know, you got to have dramatic flair to sell things. 

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This publication went out and became the 1830s version of viral. And the rest of the, of Lavinia is history. Interesting. And of course, in the spirit of spooky season, I had to put this part in here and it's me. So it shouldn't be shocking. Remember at the top, how I said you could hear about <inaudible> on ghost tours in Charleston. Well, it said that Levenia still haunts the old city jail, where she was held before her execution Ummah. 

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Some people say she can be seen in the Unitarian cemetery as well, but I'm not really buying that one because she wasn't buried there. Her and John were actually buried in popper graves outside of the town, because they were executed investigators who have looked into the haunting of Lavinia, say that she is so full of rage. And she was on the day of her execution, that her spirit attached itself to the jail. She roams the old city jail and haunts the last places she would have known in life, such as the location, she was hanged. But there's also another reason that Levenia spirit might still hang around and it has to do with her bones, Deere 

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More 

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Bones. The Yorkville enquire wrote an article published on August 8th, 1922, which said skeleton on display. 

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01:18:39

We have to see dead things. Wow. Wow. It's very them just bury them. 

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It said that Linnea skeleton was exhibited at the Charleston museum at some point, but it was removed because it was out of order. 

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It's just downright debit, 

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01:18:58

Creepy, and the museum removed it to put it in the correct order before putting it back out. It was never put back out because it's crazy. But the Yorkville inquire also said that the couple's considerable curiosity was aroused over the continued disappearances of those who stopped overnight at the hostelry. It was found that the guests had been murdered and their bones buried in the cellar. So is Levenia angry of her wrongful persecution, or she's 

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Angry that people keep looking at her bones, bare raved 

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Them. They can't find them. Now they're gone. They never came back out. So is she angry of her wrong, real persecution or is she simply trying to find her remains? So she herself can finally rest in peace. 

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01:19:55

See how people that are messed up. If you just buried her bones, 

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The bone, that is the story of America's first female serial killer Levenia Fisher Bury the bones. You don't have to worry about no gun. We were buried. So I don't know how they found them again. I mean, they never said So 

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01:20:21

That's like a good already Travis song. 

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01:20:25

That's the story of Lavinia. I don't think there's really too much speculation for us to do there either. She was a serial killer or she wasn't 

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01:20:35

Do we know for sure if there's a trap door, 

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We don't know. They burned the place down. I mean, nobody knows. I want to know. Yeah. It's, it's interesting. The other, the other story that I saw was that Lithuania killed men by putting their head between her knees and crushing their school. 

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I think probably not. 

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01:20:56

So who knows? Graca has some thunder thighs. 

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I mean, I got thunder thighs, I mean strong. They just, I just, I just got, because 

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01:21:09

So hope you guys enjoyed episode 22 this week, the story of Levenia Fisher, especially for a special spooky season episode 

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To the wise. Y'all if somebody does, I mean, I understand you're going to have the viewing. If you must have the viewing, I understand that, but then don't put them on display after that. Let them rest in peace. 

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However, can you think though, because here's the other thing too? No, I can't 

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Think he gives me. 

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01:21:39

I know. So, yes, it's very morbid to see like someone's bones on display, but also think about this. How weird do you think some, like if your ancestors were like looking or your grandparents or whoever, and they were cremated and they're like sitting on your mantle in the living room, don't you think that they're like kitchen knife, kitchen 

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01:22:09

On, on the show that I want you to watch Schitt's Creek. Yes. I'm going to have a, a baby shower in one of the houses and they're trying to clean it up, make it look nice and say, okay, can we move this vase? And there they say no, that is like granddad's or somebody's ashes. And it's glued to the table with that too many accidents. So they glued it to the table. 

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01:22:41

That's the only, so here you go, either that, or if you have a family member who you decided to do that with let's glue the top shut let's glue it shut. I've seen, look, I've seen my strange addiction where the woman ate the ashes of her husband. It was a week using her finger, like fun dip and eating her husband's ass. I'm just saying I can't are wrong with them. It's their problems. Anyways, Kayla, some things you don't have to tell me guys, everybody knows about this anyway, just like on the same show, my strange addiction, the guy that was just said, don't share things like this with me. 

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01:23:23

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He's apparently done too. We will see you here. Same time, different crime next week. And remember that there isn't always Liberty and justice for all goodbye.