Oct. 25, 2021

1822: The Manhattan Burial Crisis


HAPPY HALLOWEEN!

The biggest outbreak of yellow fever in Manhattan's history, so many people to bury that gravediggers can't keep count, and all of it on an island with limited space... what could go wrong? This week the ONUC gals talk about just how many bodies were buried in 2.5 acres at one time (hint: way more than you think), Kayla gives you a science lesson and tells you what not to Google when you're researching true crime, hear Leah's Halloween snack recipe, and Kayla's Halloween drink recipe.   

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Transcript

NYou are listening to One Nation Under Crime, a chronological true crime podcast. Each week we go through our nation's history and discuss one case from each year, starting in 1800. I'm Kayla... 

Leah  

00:00:12

And I'm Leah. 

Kayla  

00:00:14

And this has been a bit of a roller coaster, couple of weeks for Leah and I. 

Leah  

00:00:19

Yes, yes. 

Kayla  

00:00:21

Our local. What would you call it a newspaper? 

Leah  

00:00:25

I guess it is it's. I mean, they have the newspaper. 

Kayla  

00:00:28

But they have a website. 

Leah  

00:00:29

Yeah. It started as a newspaper years ago, but we've gotten a little... 

Kayla  

00:00:33

As the journalism community's dying. It's fine. Me and my journalism major is real bitter about it, but yeah. So it's called the Shelby County Reporter. I posted it on pretty much all of our social medias except for Instagram. Because I couldn't really tag it, but I did share like my tweet from Twitter on there, but yeah, the Shelby County Reporter featured us in... 

Leah  

00:00:58

We're famous! 

Kayla  

00:00:58

I know, which is funny because a lot of people got to see our faces and they hadn't before. So that was pretty interesting. But we gained like a lot of new listeners. 

Leah  

00:01:09

And I have a funny that I haven't told you. 

Kayla  

00:01:15

Oh, really? 

Leah  

00:01:16

So the listeners that are not from the south are gonna love this. The local grocery store in Columbiana is the Piggly Wiggly, 

Kayla  

00:01:24

Uh huh, the pig. Okay. Got it. Got it. 

Leah  

00:01:27

So my sister, my sister and I favor, we, we look a lot alike. We had the same hair. 

Kayla  

00:01:34

Yes. 

Leah  

00:01:34

And we do favor if you don't know us. And she just after the article came out, my sister went to the pig. We both live in the same town. And the cashier said, 'Hey, didn't I see you in an article? Don't you have a podcast? And she was like, that's my sister. She was like, so, you got recognized. 

Kayla  

00:01:58

So the first, the first person to get recognized on our podcast is your sister. Oh, of course. Of course. 

Leah  

00:02:07

But still we were recognized! 

Kayla  

00:02:09

That's so funny. Yeah. A lot of people started listening to the podcast from a lot of different areas. Oh, we got our first Virgin islands listener. This, I want to say like today actually 

Leah  

00:02:20

We'd love to come visit you. 

Kayla  

00:02:20

And I know we've gotten a lot of new listeners though. We've got, you know, new listeners in Germany now we've got, I mean like worldwide, we've got listeners in New Zealand, we've got listeners pretty much everywhere. 

Leah  

00:02:33

We're a global podcast. 

Kayla  

00:02:38

It's crazy to think that our podcast is global. Cause if you, if anybody has been with us since the beginning, then you'll recall when my boyfriend said, you know how weird it would be if y'all were popular more outside of the us. So anyways, it's kind of funny, but hi, to all of our new listeners. 

Leah  

00:02:58

We're just popular. 

Kayla  

00:02:59

Now that you've found us, as we've said, I'm Kayla, she's Leah. And if you've listened, you know, if you're getting caught up on the podcast from the beginning, cause we do have some people who have done that. They've started at the beginning. I can see kind of how people download the podcast. So it's interesting to see how people listen. So welcome to 

Leah  

00:03:20

Glad to have you! 

Kayla  

00:03:23

The club, the coven, the, I don't know what we are. 

Leah  

00:03:25

Club! Not coven! The crew? 

Kayla  

00:03:26

We discussed last week. You're a witch. 

Leah  

00:03:27

She's a WITCH! 

Kayla  

00:03:29

I mean, it came out. People discussed it. We're all aware. Now Leah's deepest, darkest secret came out and then like tagging on to that. We are now on YouTube. So if you, you or someone, you know, and love or don't love or know. (Leah) Stop it (laughter) If they're not like a fan of listening to podcasts, if they prefer YouTube, my boyfriend, he prefers to listen to podcasts on YouTube. So if that's you as well, or if it's somebody that, you know, we are on YouTube, you can find us it's same One Nation Under Crime. All of our episodes are on there. You can listen to all of them there as well, if you would like, and we also have like, you can create playlists on YouTube. 

Kayla  

00:04:17

So I've put together some playlists on there. So there's a playlist of murders and there's this playlist of disappearances. So it just depends on if you're in the mood for something or another, if you don't, you know, you don't want to listen to one thing, you can listen to something else, 

Leah  

00:04:37

So you will have your very own agent tracking you. 

Kayla  

00:04:42

Yes. So you can have, your own, (Leah) You get a Steve. No, they get Chad. Chad's Brad's next door, next door cubicle. So, you know, if you go in there, go ahead and subscribe to the podcast who knows you might see our faces on there. 

Leah  

00:04:56

I know a lot of people who listen to this podcast also listen to a lot of the similar podcasts, which is super funny because if you go on apple podcasts and you scroll down to the bottom, it'll say like, if you like this podcast, then you'll like this podcast or, and it'll give you like a list of podcasts. And the list of podcast are all podcasts that I specifically listened to. 

Kayla  

00:05:22

So it's like, if you like One Nation Under Crime, then you'll like True Crime Obsessed, And That's Why We Drink, Morbid. And I'm like, oh, it's so weird seeing their name under our podcasts. 

Leah  

00:05:35

You're like, I like all of them. 

Kayla  

00:05:35

I know! So if y'all like, I know a lot of people will listen to, And That's Why We Drink. Love Christine and Em but they each week, along with their episode, each Sunday, they come out with a video of their episode and it's of them recordings. You like just see them in person. And so who knows, 

Leah  

00:05:51

Yeah, I'm going to have to dress up if we start doing that like makeup, and all that stuff. 

Kayla  

00:05:54

But it could be really fun. We can like decorate the background for the different seasons. It can be fun. So we'll have to see it's something that we thought of. It's something that well that I've thought of to kind of see, cause a lot of, a lot of people do like to see their podcast. Like they like to do things that way. So that might be something that we do. But for the time being we're now on YouTube. So you can go find us there pretty much any way that you would like to find us, you can find us. 

Leah  

00:06:24

Yeah. 

Kayla  

00:06:24

Except for TV. You can find us. 

Leah  

00:06:28

If somebody wants to like pay us to be on TV. 

Kayla  

00:06:32

I'm cool with that. Zak Bagans, Ghost Adventures, talking to you. 

Leah  

00:06:36

I don't want to go on a ghost adventure. I do not. I'm not down with that. I'm not. 

Kayla  

00:06:43

You wouldn't make it. 

Leah  

00:06:43

I'm not a fan. 

Kayla  

00:06:44

He did a, a ghost hunt recently. I haven't recorded. I haven't watched yet at Joe Exotic's zoo 

Leah  

00:06:48

Ohh my. 

Kayla  

00:06:48

And they actually, from what I, if I recall correctly, like I said, I have not watched it yet. I think they had to shut down filming because they found like they thought they found remains and they had to shut down filming and the FBI had to come in. So anyways, 

Leah  

00:07:09

I'm not down for that creepy stuff. I'm not, I'm not! I'll hold down the fort, I'll watch your animals. 

Kayla  

00:07:17

This is our last episode before Halloween. So it's our last official, spooky, spooky season episode. Our next episode, it's still spooky season, but it's not, it's not as you know 

Leah  

00:07:28

We move on to thankfulness. 

Kayla  

00:07:29

Yes, I suppose. I just want to live in the spooky season. It's great. 

Leah  

00:07:34

(laughter) 'I just want to live in spooky.' 

Kayla  

00:07:36

Like it's a town. That'd be great. I should create it. 

Leah  

00:07:38

Halloweentown? 

Kayla  

00:07:39

Oh gosh. I don't know if I would like Halloween town per se. I do love Halloweentown, the movies, except for the fourth one we all know it's a sham. 

Leah  

00:07:50

I introduced my nephew to Halloween town. My 5 year old nephew. He enjoyed it. 

Kayla  

00:07:53

Oh, So good. So good love how you know it will have you seen the second one recently? 

Leah  

00:07:57

No, I've only seen the first one. 

Kayla  

00:08:02

Well, for any of those of you who have watched it recently, the second one Kal's son is in it. Well Kal and Marnie ended up getting married in real life. Like they're, they're married to this day. They're a great couple. 

Leah  

00:08:14

I don't know these people. 

Kayla  

00:08:19

So Marnie, she's the girl witch in Halloweentown. 

Leah  

00:08:25

Yeah. I've only watched it once. 

Kayla  

00:08:28

(exhale) So for those millennials of us who can't understand, 

Leah  

00:08:31

You have to remember I'm older than you. 

Kayla  

00:08:32

I understand you said it. I didn't. 

Leah  

00:08:34

That the generation gap gets us every now and then. 

Kayla  

00:08:38

So on that, I hope that you all are enjoying your spooky season. You'll have this coming out Monday. So y'all gotta, y'all got till Sunday to get all the spookiness in and let us know. We all are doing, I want to know what y'all are doing. You go into a pumpkin patch, you going to pick apples, Morbid the podcast. Alaina went to go pick apples. Because they live in Boston and they went to actually go pick apples. And I want to say, she said, she picked like it's some outlandish amount, but like 42 pounds of apples. And so she's like, we're making all the apple things. Cause they're both very, very into like Halloween and well, because they've also been to Salem and everything and that's also where Hocus Pocus was filmed. 

Leah  

00:09:25

I would love to go see that. Amuck, Amuck, Amuck. 

Kayla  

00:09:27

Hocus Pocus is a good one. Ellie, my daughter, she is going to be a black cat for Halloween. That's what she's decided. 

Leah  

00:09:36

With sparkles by the way. 

Kayla  

00:09:36

Yes, with sparkles. She, so she says, she's going to be Binx. 

Leah  

00:09:41

I love it. 

Kayla  

00:09:41

So good times. But yeah, y'all have got a week left to get in all of the spookiness that you have and I hope that y'all enjoy it. I hope that you take our podcast along with you for your spooky times. 

Leah  

00:09:57

Can I throw out a pet peeve? 

Kayla  

00:09:59

Pet peeve? Of what? Do you have a pet named Peeves? 

Leah  

00:10:05

No, that's a ghost from Harry Potter. 

Kayla  

00:10:08

Got it. Okay. 

Leah  

00:10:08

So, you know, Sarah Sanderson says 'Amuck, Amuck, Amuck', which is like my favorite part of the movie. If you're gonna wear a shirt that says amuck, amuck, amuck spell it correctly. 

Kayla  

00:10:24

Oh yeah. You gotta be real careful when you buy stuff like that. Yeah. 

Leah  

00:10:28

It's like putting an apostrophe on your door hanger. 

Kayla  

00:10:30

Yeah. So that's a big pet peeve of Leah's and I'm sure we'll get into it more when Christmas comes around and people are sending out like Christmas cards. So if you have, and this is a pet peeve of mine too, just because y'all journalism. 

Leah  

00:10:47

If you address something to anyone do not put an apostrophe in there, like say you're sending, it will just the McAlisters you're sending something to the McAlisters like the McAlisters in Home Alone and you're sending it to them. 

Kayla  

00:11:04

Do not put an apostrophe S because an apostrophe indicates the possessiveness of it. And it's not a possessive, it's a plural. 

Leah  

00:11:15

So leave out the apostrophe, unless you were saying 'To the McAlister's house'. Yes. Then put an apostrophe. But if you're just saying the McAlisters, that is just a plural, not a possessive. Yes, everytime you use an apostrophe incorrectly and elf dies. 

Kayla  

00:11:35

Oh my gosh, stop killing elves. But LIBOR killing is bad. Yeah. Killing is badly. Leah, it's her sleep. Leah's advice to the world killing is bad. But yeah, a lot of people where we live, they make those door hangers that have like, you know, they're seasonal and they put their name on them and everything like that. And a lot of people do put apostrophes in theirs, which, I mean, I guess can make sense the, the McAlister's door hanger, I guess, but like it, if you're trying to say like a collective group of who the family is also just don't do that. You're also telling people who lives there in case somebody doesn't know who lives there. You're also telling people who live there. So just don't do it. Just like the people who put the signs out in their yard of my kid is a kindergartener it's so-and-so or my son is a football player, a number of blah, blah, blah. 

Kayla  

00:12:30

At so-and-so high school. I'm like, guys, take that out of here. I mean, you can say, you know, like Broncos, but yeah. Be really careful with that. I understand. It's really cute. Just like the stickers on the back of people's cars where like one's a ballerina and one's a baseball player and it has their, like the kid's name in the middle of it. That always really gets me too, because I'm like, you're also telling people the names of your kids that are with you. So if they follow you into a store and they call your kid's name, your kid could be like, oh, they know my name anyways. Yeah. People need to be hypervigilant. That's all I'm saying about that, but we're going to go into, well, yeah, sorry. I already went down a rabbit trail. 

Kayla  

00:13:10

It's it's spooky season. It's right before and that spooky. Yeah. And we'll go ahead. We'll say it here right at the top of the episodes, we'll address it here. So it's not a real quick departure towards the end of the episode. And just because of the end of our episode last week, we'll go ahead and we'll say it here. We are very aware of how the potato case has formed. At this point. I actually texted Leah day before yesterday and she was like, I was just reading the article before I texted you about it. 

Kayla  

00:13:53

And we are aware of how that has transpired at this point. I it's a very difficult situation. And I, you know, I was talking to my boyfriend about it because the thing that I text Leah back about it was all of the answers died with him because it's true any, and as a, I can only think of it as a mom and, and as the mother, I would want answers. And my only question would be why I don't want to know how, I don't know. I just want to know why not that even it's going to be a satisfying answer, but just, just to why, and you know, my boyfriend coming from a dad's perspective and a V he is a very protective dad. 

Kayla  

00:14:43

His answer was vastly different than that. And it was, yeah, he was like in naive, you know, but that's also, it's not to be disrespectful. He's coming from a very protective dad standpoint of, you know, you know, if that were my daughter and I were her father, I, I would not. He was saying, you know, I know it's a difficult subject. He was just saying, I would not be remorseful because, you know, and I said, but I would want to know. And he was like, I don't know why you would want to know, because it's not going to help anything. And I said, I get that. But I, as a mother, I would still, my, my question will always be why. 

Kayla  

00:15:24

And it was funny because he's really into Twitter. And so he was on Twitter. And about, about five, 10 minutes later, he goes, apparently you're not the only one that shares that sentiment because he just said, and you know, but women and men are wired so differently. And, and, but I'm a why person anyways, I very much am. And I still, I, you know, not that it's any of my business, not that I have any right to know anything about it, but that is a curiosity of anyone who sees a tragic situation like that of, of why. And, you know, I know that we do know the cause of death, as far as Gabby goes at this point, we're not a hundred percent sure of the cause of death of laundry, but I do know they could only identify him by his teeth. 

Kayla  

00:16:21

So that's not good. Yeah. My boyfriend seems to think he, because of where he was, he was, if it was a, sorry, trigger guys for any of this, but if it was a, a situation of where he died by suicide, he says that where he was, it's a very swampy area. He, it was likely an animal that might have found him and that could be where that's coming from. So it's very likely that we may not ever know that, but just to go ahead and address it, we are aware of it. It's not likely something we'll cover on this case. It's been very widely covered at this point and it'd be 20, 25, 20, 26 before we get there. 

Kayla  

00:17:03

So if that, so yeah, we, you know, we do know the outcome of it at this point. And again, we just, I feel for everyone involved in the situation, it's something that hopefully none of us will ever have to experience in our lifetime. And it's something that no one should ever have to experience. It's very tragic. So again, killing, killing is bad. Leah, Leah was listening to our episodes the other day in the car and she, she got to the episode, is it? I think it's 8, 18, 14. And, and then Leah just says in it, killing us bad guys. 

Kayla  

00:17:49

Oh gosh. Yeah. Somebody make a t-shirt of that feeling is bad. And then like all to the bottom dash Leah. Anyway. So I mean, where's law, we'll get into this week's episode. It's an episode more than a case. I wanted to find something that was kind of outside of the box from something that we usually cover. It is spooky season. It is the week before Halloween. So this week we are covering the Manhattan burial crisis of 1822 burial crisis. Yes. 

Kayla  

00:18:29

The burial, a burial crisis in 1822 of Manhattan. Oh dear. So then land it's, it's pretty, it's pretty interesting. So it's in saying that no, there's not any real trigger warning. As far as the case goes, I will say at some points, some descriptions of things are going to get pretty as Christine on. And that's where we drink says vomitus I liked that word. I think Christine and say, vomitus, I think that is, it'll kind of get there at some points just because of descriptions of things. But as far as anything really goes, it's really more morbid than anything else vomitus could describe some of my past fashion choices. 

Kayla  

00:19:08

It can describe a lot of things that you didn't think that it could honestly it's it's a good one. So our sources this week, the New York city's heart island, a cemetery of strangers by Michael T teen and then Atlas Obscura, which if no one knows that website go to it. It is so fascinating. Atlas Obscura. It covers basically exactly what it indicates. It's obscure places around the world and the information about them that people don't know. It sounds like a Harry Potter spill. 

Kayla  

00:19:48

It does, and it's called Atlas Obscura, but there was a really good article on there. And it was the Manhattan burial crisis of 1822 makes every cemetery today seem amazing. So we'll get into it. I, like I said, it's, it's just an interesting story this week, as far as that goes. And sometimes it's good to take a break from the murder. So while still a little morbid, still, still in keeping with it, we're going to go into it. Our events in 1822, January 7th, the first printing was done in Hawaii. 

Kayla  

00:20:29

February 23rd, Boston, Massachusetts was incorporated as a city officially. I've always wanted to go to Boston to, we almost chose that for our 20th anniversary trip. Y'all on the shows. A lot of things. Listen, we talked about y'all did talk a lot about a lot of things. I finally got him to take me somewhere. March 9th, Charles Graham of New York was granted the first patent for artificial teeth. That's me jumping my teeth. She wondered March 22nd. The New York horticultural society was founded March 30th, Congress combined east and west Florida into the Florida territory. 

Kayla  

00:21:16

May 1st John Phillips became the first mayor of Boston, July 22nd. This is almost something that I covered for this year, but I, I did not for several reasons, but Denmark Vesey was. And I believe that's how you say his last name. It's spelled V E S E Y. Denmark Vesey was hanged for plotting a slave rebellion in Charleston, South Carolina. Hmm. It is a, and we'll get a little bit more, I'll talk about him again in just a bit, but it was a slave rebellion that had not taken place yet. 

Kayla  

00:21:55

It was just at this point a plot, but it very much was a very well-planned plot. And he was, he was hanged for, for just plotting the rebellion. I hear Charleston, some beautiful city. I mean, of what Leah knows or doesn't know about it, but, but there are a lot of reasons that I did not choose to cover that case this week. One, it is a very, very, very involved topic that involved. I mean, the amount of information that was out there about it was honestly overwhelming for the length of an episode that we have I could have. And I, I do understand Kaylee, you could have done it into two episodes. 

Kayla  

00:22:42

I also understand that as well, but I had my reasons there was a lot of, of pretty, pretty gnarly violence involved in it that I did not feel I would adequately be able to cover and do it justice, but seems Denmark Vesey is very important. July 2nd, 1822 is when he was hanged for plotting a slave rebellion, July 4th, a 24th star was added to the U S flag, which represented Missouri August 22nd. The English ship Orion landed at Yerba bueno, which is modern day San Francisco and December 12th, Mexico was officially recognized as an independent nation by the United States. 

Kayla  

00:23:33

And this is undated, but it's also related to our case today. The last major outbreak of yellow fever in New York city occurred March 22nd. We're going to discuss well not, yeah, not March 22nd. Sorry. Our births in 1822, cause I apparently can't read today. Her date of birth is not actually known, but she was born in March. Harriet Tubman was born. She was, I believe her name, original name is pronounced. It's a R a M I N T a. I believe it's Armenta sounds right. 

Kayla  

00:24:15

Ross was her last name. She was a black abolitionist, humanitarian and a union spy during the American civil war. She's very, very influential in us history. I am sure we will get to her once we get more into the civil war, I'm sure we'll discuss her a lot more. She has either a Pisces or an Aries depending on when she was born. So March is the only thing that we have about her that I could find. So April 3rd, Edward Everett Hale born. He was let's see. Yeah, I can't speak today. It's one of those days guys, April 3rd, Edward Everett Hale American author and historian, who was known for writing the man without a country that sad. 

Kayla  

00:25:07

And he was an Aries. We discussed this guy in our last episode, Frederick law Olmsted. He was a landscape architect. We talked about him in our last episode as being the landscape architect that built the first urban park in Buffalo, New York. He was actually born this year and he was a Taurus. We will actually discuss him more. April 27th, Ulysses S grant was born. He is our 18th president of the United States. He is also a Taurus, May 18th, Matthew Brady. He's a photographer. And he was known for photographs of SU of the civil war. 

Kayla  

00:25:49

And he photographed Andrew Jackson, John Quincy, Adams, and Abraham Lincoln. Cool. Also a tourists. A lot of those this week, apparently portfolio. I know. And then August 15th, we have Virginia Eliza Clem. She was the wife of Edgar Allen Poe. She's a Leo September 16th, Charles crocker. One of the founders of the central Pacific railroad, which was constructed as part of the trans Atlantic railroad was born. He's Virgo like Liam. 

Kayla  

00:26:32

Then we also have on September 20th, Elizabeth Libby Smith Miller, she was an advocate and a financial supporter of the women's rights movement. That's also a Virgo October 4th, the last one of this year, Rutherford B Hayes was born. He is the 19th president of the United States and is a Libra. So we discussed earlier. So let's get to our deaths of 1822. So as we discussed before July 2nd of this year was when Denmark Vesey was hanged for the plot of the slave rebellion in Charleston, South Carolina, and then May 6th. 

Kayla  

00:27:25

Charles peel poll was an American portrait author, portrait painter painters are not authors guys. Lee, I cannot read that's true. They're they're authors. So some of Charles poults works are in the national gallery in DC today that that's an accomplishment. That's pretty cool. So July of 1822 New York city saw the highest death rates from yellow fever specifically around Trinity cemetery. We know that place going to say that Trinity. So we briefly discussed Manhattan in episode one, but we did end in 1790. 

Kayla  

00:28:09

So Manhattan after the revolutionary war saw tremendous amounts of growth. The city gained its reputation as an economic center, as a result of the policies enacted by our first treasury of secretary Alexander Hamilton, by means secretary of the treasury secretary of treasury. You said treasury of secretary, maybe secretary I've. Might've been saying, thinking treasury secretary. Yeah, again, guys, just ignore me today. Well, don't ignore me because you have to listen to me first, the episode by 18, 10 Manhattan surpassed Philadelphia as the largest city in the United States, the commissioner's plan of 1811 laid out the island and the grid pattern that it is famous for today. 

Kayla  

00:28:58

We are going to go a little bit farther than our story today in the history of Manhattan, but we will eventually be back here at some point. So we're not going to cover everything up until this point. So from 1821 to 1855, the population in the city quadrupled, and at the time there weren't any designated places for quote, passive recreation. There were a few open spaces for people to use for those purposes. And which you like to guess what those spaces were that people were using for picnics badminton, croquet in the park. 

Kayla  

00:29:50

I'm just going to guess. I'm assuming that central park wasn't a thing. No. 

Leah  

00:29:55

So is it churchyards 

Kayla  

00:29:57

Cemeteries. 

Leah  

00:29:58

Okay. Fun fact fun fact about my life that you may not 

Kayla  

00:30:02

Know me. 

Leah  

00:30:02

You may not know this. I grew up between two cemeteries. 

Kayla  

00:30:05

Yes. I did know this. Okay. 

Leah  

00:30:07

We had a front cemetery to back cemetery. Like that's what we called it graveyard, but we call it front graveyard. In that graveyard, we flew kites in the front graveyard because there was one big part that was not yet used. I'll learn how to drive a 

Kayla  

00:30:27

Car in a graveyard. 

Leah  

00:30:29

Couldn't hurt anybody. Clearly they 

Kayla  

00:30:36

Were all done. 

Leah  

00:30:37

Jaime mean learn how to ride my bike in the graveyard had the coolest middle-school birthday parties because we played murderer. <inaudible> 

Kayla  

00:30:47

The morbid one out of the two of us. Okay. Got it. 

Leah  

00:30:52

Flew kites 

Kayla  

00:30:53

Guests originally. And the graveyard and the people back in this time had a whole lot in common. 

Leah  

00:31:04

So this is not really weird to me just because I grew up in between, 

Kayla  

00:31:08

Well, you'll appreciate this next line then I said, 

Leah  

00:31:11

So you tried to shop and I'm like, Hey, 

Kayla  

00:31:14

I mean, I did know that you grew up right now, right next to two cemeteries. But yeah, well for most people it would be, 

Leah  

00:31:25

The home was like two houses down. And so people parked at my house when there was a funeral just walked to the grave 

Kayla  

00:31:33

Funeral. 

Leah  

00:31:34

Okay. Sorry. Small town living. 

Kayla  

00:31:35

Well, you'll appreciate my next line. Okay. Continue. The cemetery is reviewed as an escape from the noise of the city and the neighbors were very quiet. True. True. When the commissioner's plan of 1811 outlined to the street grid, there were several small open spaces allotted for parks, but nothing nearly as large as what was to come. John Randall Jr. Surveyed the large area in the middle of the city and placed markers for construction. There is only one survey bolt remaining in a rock north of the present. 

Kayla  

00:32:18

Yes. Dairy. I thought dairy. I didn't write that right? Yes. It's present it's dairy street and 66th street traverse. So if they continued straight, it would be right on that. Mark central park was open to the public in 1858 and became the first landscape public park in America in an American city. Cool. Frederick law Olmsted, who we discussed was born in 1822. The year we're discussing and Calvert vote partnered together to enter a park design competition for central park called the Greensward plan prior to working with vote, Olmsted had never designed or executed a landscape design. 

Kayla  

00:33:05

Wow, never. And your first project is central park. Okay. We did discuss this also in a previous episode, instead brothers architectural firm designed several college campuses, one being, including the university of Montevallo go Falcons, the Louisiana state university, or as some people know it as L S U, they are a large rival to a lot of people in the sec, we are well aware. We have the university of Florida also known as U F. A lot of people notice that that is where if some people are thinking, is that way? 

Kayla  

00:33:49

Yes. That's where Tim Teebo did go to school. Then we have Harvard business school, Johns Hopkins, university, Ohio state university, or OSU Stanford university, Samford university. Those are two different places, guys. Two very different two different ones. One of them is in Alabama and it is a very well-known college in Alabama. That is also very beautiful and very, very beautiful. I can also see how they also designed it as well. Then the university of Chicago and the university of Notre Dame. So quite, quite a lot of places, banjos rivals. Did you, did you look them up though, too? 

Kayla  

00:34:29

Because they also Troy university really? Yeah. There's like a lot in Alabama, a lot. There's more than this. And Alabama, I want to say university of Alabama at Huntsville, Troy university, university of Alabama, Huntsville. There's another college in Montgomery. Like there's, there's a list and there's a lot in Alabama that, that they actually designed. So that's very cool. A little bit of history on that. And as we did discuss before, yes, they did design our college that we went to. It is very lovely. They did not establish our college until later, because I did look up the year to see when it was coming so that I could discuss it. 

Kayla  

00:35:14

So when we get there, it'll be awhile. I'm going to be a minute. So today central park covers 843 acres in the middle of Manhattan. And it's so pretty gorgeous. It is the most visited urban park in the U S with an estimated 42 million visitors annually. Wow. And it is the most filmed location in the world, but there's so many different location, location. I mean, I've been to every inch 

Leah  

00:35:46

Of 

Kayla  

00:35:46

It. I've only seen parts of it. It's it's huge. We went to the 

Leah  

00:35:49

Zoo when our youth group went 

Kayla  

00:35:50

Stephan. I didn't go to the zoo. I did. I, I can't remember where all I saw in there, but I did see anyways, I saw a lot of stuff, but I was wasn't there super long. So I had to, that's where I discovered 

Leah  

00:36:08

The toasted coconut. 

Kayla  

00:36:10

Very good. 

Leah  

00:36:11

Very good. I would love some right now. Let's 

Kayla  

00:36:16

Get to New York. Yes. So the two and a half acre cemetery at Trinity church and lower Manhattan time to several notable people. 

Leah  

00:36:31

He's buried in Trinity church, 

Kayla  

00:36:35

Including Alexander Hamilton, Eliza Hamilton, Angelica, Schuyler church, Philip Hamilton, Hercules Mulligan. Who, if you were not aware, was spying on the British, the measurements. Oh gosh. Such, such good. My daughter, Ellie loves Hercules Mulligan. She also loves Davi digs just in general. Like she likes both. So anyways, he was a spy during the revolutionary war. Robert Fulton is also buried there. He was the inventor of the first commercially successful steam engine and Albert Galatin. He is the founder of NYU, New York university. 

Kayla  

00:37:16

So I 

Leah  

00:37:17

Have a friend that works there. Really? 

Kayla  

00:37:19

I do 

Leah  

00:37:19

Kayla  

00:37:20

Pat of her. If you've been to the quaint cemetery, then you would think what? Maybe a hundred people are buried there based off of markers. Cause there's not a ton of stuff to say, if that two and a half acres, it's not very large. They're buried 

Leah  

00:37:38

Very 

Kayla  

00:37:39

Tight. Yeah. So what would you say? A hundred maybe. 

Leah  

00:37:44

Yeah. Yeah. And then there's the dark CUPE tunnels inside the church. 

Kayla  

00:37:46

Yeah. But on just the cemetery, 

Leah  

00:37:48

Pallia hijack sardines. I mean, that's not very, that's not a very nice way to say that, but their packaging 

Kayla  

00:37:56

Now you will see why this was a crisis. 

Leah  

00:38:04

I mean, they're, they're tight, 

Kayla  

00:38:06

But 

Leah  

00:38:06

They had pathways through it for you to step down. 

Kayla  

00:38:09

Yes they did. So what people aren't aware of and Leah and I have both been to the cemetery at Trinity church. So we are very well aware of how small this space is. Truly is not very 

Leah  

00:38:20

Large at all. And I was content up to send you pictures when I went. Cause 

Kayla  

00:38:24

I got to go before you. I know. And I sent photos to you when I went because we're good friends. It's very weird when you're standing. And I think I said this before at Alexander Hamilton's grave and right across from you as a Dwayne Reed anyways, Dwayne Reed, for those of you who don't know, it's like a CVS, but Dwayne Reed is all over all over New York so that you're 

Leah  

00:38:47

Sitting in your life. This is for real, at this business, 

Kayla  

00:38:51

He touch it. It's very weird. It's very surreal remains, but correct. It's a very surreal experience because 

Leah  

00:39:00

They don't exhibit the bones because that's weird. 

Kayla  

00:39:03

Lee has got issues with that specifically. So what people aren't aware of while they are walking through the beautiful Trinity cemetery that it is today is that by 1822, it's estimated I have to look at your face. When I say this, 

Leah  

00:39:29

I'm afraid. I know what's coming because it's built up 

Kayla  

00:39:38

Real high. It's estimated that 120,000 bodies were buried in the cemetery. I knew 

Leah  

00:39:41

It. We're going to say that 

Kayla  

00:39:44

120,000 and we've been there and we've been there. Keep this in mind guys. Like we have seen it with our own eyes. We know how large and how small this is an 120,000 people were buried in that small space. Neither going to say that. So keep in mind that this is simply an estimate based off of the number of deaths that year, the number could actually be much higher and simply the body's buried only in 1822, couldn't be tracked because of the amount that they were bearing at one time, I'm going to 

Leah  

00:40:27

Say yes, we W we did things in the graveyard, but we were always very respectful. And we did not walk on the graves. Like we were taught that very early, very young. We were very respectful of that. And we had not walked on the graves. So, you know, no, it doesn't bother me to be in a graveyard, but we, we are respectful. So the fact that now I know I was walking like on top of like bodies. 

Kayla  

00:41:01

Cool, no, no, no, no, no, no, you weren't. We'll get there worse, worse. So a grave grave diggers couldn't keep up with the growing demand. And some of these graves were only two to three feet deep instead of the standard six feet that we know today in July of that year, the highest death rates from yellow fever ever in the city were recorded. The common city council and board of health passed a resolution in August, which prohibited any further burials in the graveyard due to quote vehement complaints of offensive exhalations. 

Kayla  

00:41:49

According to residents near the cemetery, the smell of death was unmistakable a doctor who is investigating the cause of the yellow fever epidemic. Only known as Dr. Rosa cannot find a first name or last name of the, or cannot find the official first and last name of the doctor. He is only known as Dr. Rosa. He decided to try and fix the problem himself. He recruited a group of men to cover the graveyard in quick line. Okay. So for those of you who do not know, one do not Google on your computer. What is quick lime used for when it comes to dead bodies? 

Kayla  

00:42:32

Because I did. I just, I just inched my way up that list just every minute. So what's w what's more disturbing is seeing what other people have also been Googling about quick line anyways, quick climb for those, you don't know, it's a chemical compound known as calcium oxide or C a O, and it is made through the thermal decomposition of limestone or other materials containing calcium carbonate and a lime kill where we live. We are very known of kind of like what lime and stuff is because we have a lot of limestone quarries like around here. So, you know, like you can kind of see it in different places. 

Kayla  

00:43:16

It'll anyways, not something to be inhaled period. The material is heated at high temperatures, and the remains are quick line. Quick. Lime is not a stable material and will react with carbon dioxide or CO2 from the air causing it to convert into heat. Energy. Didn't know you were getting a science lesson this week, did you? So I, you know, I gotta, I gotta make sure all of our listeners are well-rounded. I appreciate that. You know, I move over Billy. I am here for you. Oh gosh. I would love to be the next bill Nye. So due to this reaction, it is used as not only a source of heat, but a source of light due to Lyme being an alkaline product contact with skin can cause reactions that range from mild irritation to full-scale burning, it was commonly used to create. 

Kayla  

00:44:14

You will really, really appreciate this fun fact. You ready? It was commonly used to create spectacular theatrical bursts of light prior to the invention of electricity. And when used this way, it was known as limelight. So that is what it means. When you say they were in the limelight. That is what that means. I thought that was fun. Thought you were like getting ready to no, it wasn't really, no, it was. It's a good fun fact. I thought you were being facetious. I'm not going to tell you it's a fun fact. And then tell you something gross like that. Like when we were talking about mad hatters and what those are, we'll name that sometimes your fun facts, your, your facetious, when you say fun facts are morbid anyways, in the red cross emergency relief items, catalog quick lime and lime are listed as a tool for aiding and proper disposal of human remains that cannot be afforded a deep burial. 

Kayla  

00:45:23

But however, the goal of the product is not to destroy the body, but rather to prevent putrefaction that creates odor and attracts flies and animals quick lime was often used over plague or color a bird reels to prevent the spread of disease. I mean, if you've got a problem, yo I'll solve it. So it does, it makes sense is why he would be like, okay, that's what this is being used for, for plagues and such. So like yellow fever graves, like this is makes sense, right? That does make sense. The group of men, Dr. Rosa hired, started working quickly overnight to cover the shallow graves. Did they like use masks and such those who lived around the cemetery said they could hear the workers getting violently ill throughout the night. 

Kayla  

00:46:12

They did not use masks. And so this Trinity church was not the only cemetery that was having issues with over burial, but it was the only one that had problems to this level, the others in the area or the north Dutch church on William and Fulton streets, the middle Dutch church on Liberty and Nassau and St. Paul's, which is just north of Trinity church. The quick lime did somewhat help with the smell, but not completely. Like I said before, the cause of the entire crisis was duty yellow fever. And at this time it still wasn't known how yellow fever was transmitted, which today we know as mosquitoes, that was the main cause of it, which we also discussed in our very first episode, when we talked about Aaron Berg, creating a water system for the city and he didn't do it, which caused an outbreak of yellow fever because mosquitoes and stack at her fault, that's all, that's what we need a t-shirt of it's all Aaron Burr's fault to Burr. 

Kayla  

00:47:18

I'm sure his descendants would not appreciate that. So I don't know what you heard, but whatever. I dunno what you heard about whatever it is. Jefferson started it. One of the prominent leaders and doctors started realizing the boundaries of the virus and where they were. They surmised that it was about a block away from Trinity. Finally, when November hit, the virus died down and it was concentrated to just the neighborhood, right beside the graveyard, it was thought that this was due to noxious air that was produced by the corpses buried in the cemetery. 

Kayla  

00:47:58

There were several city bans related to burials in the city in the same year. And an ordinance was passed, which created the no burial line, which forbade burials south of canal street, except for those in family plots. So you had to already have a plot to be able to be buried in that area. The ban didn't just last for 1822, either by 1839, no burials were allowed south of 14th street. 

Kayla  

00:48:46

And then by 1852, just 30 years later, burials in Manhattan were prohibited. Oh, ma so what'd you do? I mean, <inaudible> thinking Leah Michelle or the body's going well. It was there a cart bring out today. They were not dead yet. They were being buried in poppers graves or potters field outside of the semi city limits. 

Kayla  

00:49:33

City in limits is not one word semi limits guys. I'm struggling. Apparently typical poppers graves are for bodies of unknown unclaimed or unsavory people. So a lot of people would be buried in a Potter's graves if say they were executed for murder, right? Some of these fields are located in what is now Washington square park and Bryant square in New York city. Right? So I mean, great. So non, there were two non-sectarian or not tied to a religion burial grounds that were formed. 

Kayla  

00:50:17

One being the New York marble cemetery in the east village of Manhattan, which is now the oldest non-denominational cemetery in Manhattan and the New York city marble cemetery. Keep in mind. That is the difference in the names, the New York marble cemetery and the New York city marble cemetery using it all. So the New York city one is just one block away. This wonder how many times somebody has shown up at the wrong cemetery for a burial, right? 

Kayla  

00:51:01

Funeral thing, service. This is when multiple stacked burials in thick family volts became the new method of burial. This is exactly you'll appreciate my description. This is exactly what it sounds like. Multiple coffins stacked on each other in a singular burial plot underground. It looked like a Lunchable. When you stack cracker cheese, meat, crackers, cheese meat, but then above ground, there were sporadic monuments with the family's names listed on them to mark, who was very blue. Leah has her face covered because of my description. That's the only way them charcuteries. It's the only way that I can think of to describe it and tried to use a double stuffed Oreo. 

Kayla  

00:51:42

That didn't sound great. So I thought maybe like, you know, when you were a kid and you would make a Lunchable stack and it was like six pieces of something stacked at one time. Well, now you can think of that. It's not, it is not a Lunchable stack any longer. It is a multiple stacks burial. What, why, why can't I call it a lunch or what that's the only thing I could think of at the moment. I think Ellie was eating a Lunchable or something inspiration struck. 

Kayla  

00:52:25

So anyways, all these dead bodies, Lunchable, Lunchable, serial killers. So craves were overcrowded and people couldn't be burying in Manhattan anymore. And this did not sit well with the elite. So graves started becoming real estate. Of course they did. And plots were being sold to the highest bidder. Of course they were before the ban on new burials. And if you're eating guys, maybe don't for a second. 

Kayla  

00:53:05

I mean, she's hard. He called 10 people Lunchables. So really, I mean, tomato before the ban on new burials grave diggers would poke the ground with iron rods to find decayed coffins. If the rod gave way, then the coffin was decayed and they could earth that portion of the graveyard. They would then remove the older remains and put them in the graveyards Charnel house, the graveyards, what Charnel house? H a R N E L. What was that what's happens there is that where it's a bunch of bits. 

Kayla  

00:53:45

Lot of giblets is a building or vault in which corpses or bones are piled a lot of giblets. Okay. So this is one of our, our premium services. So this is exactly what was happening when the upper-class purchased the plots, because the plots, they were purchasing already had people in them outside hired grave diggers were coming in and removing current bodies from the area and putting them in the Charnel house to make room for those who could afford to be buried in the area. The congregation of the German reformed church at university place and 12th street, we're not able to stop the sale and removal of bodies from their church yard. 

Kayla  

00:54:32

And they went to court to try and stop it in 1846, but they lost New York city, took a lesson from the books of Boston and Philadelphia, who each had their own large cemeteries outside of the city and decided to look for a plot of land. There was an area in Brooklyn, right across from lower Manhattan that the city deemed quote safe from urban development. Wonder how safe it is today in 1838 leaders in the city founded Greenwood cemetery on 178 acres, which they bought from old Brooklyn farming families. 

Kayla  

00:55:12

And they added a another 300 acres to the cemetery later. It's easy to see that two and a half acres is much smaller than 478. And in 1842, Trinity church actually established its own rural cemetery in Washington Heights in Washington Heights. Yeah. I put Q in the Heights music here and we both finally in 1869, the city resolved as issue with the purchase of Hart island, which to this day is still the city's public burial ground. The homeless corpses finally found a proper burial place today. 

Kayla  

00:55:52

Trinity church cemetery feels like an Oasis in the middle of a concrete jungle. Many workers nearby will take a walk on its well-traveled sidewalks to get a break from the commotion around them. Before heading back to the office, it's not uncommon to see someone take their lunch break in the cemetery, to detach from the world for just a little bit. All of them, unaware of the unrest that occurred under their feet 200 years before now, I will say, I will say, you know, my mother's Scotland. And the first time I went to Scotland, I was able see my 

Leah  

00:56:33

Grandparents' grave graves that I hadn't seen before. And I was an adult when I was finally able to go. I was in my late twenties, which was really, it was really cool to be able to see. And I was able to get flowers to go in their graves because, you know, I remembered my grandfather. He came over when I was in first grade. I didn't remember my grandmother, but I do have pictures of us together. She came over when I was like three or four, so we had met, but I didn't, she died very shortly after and they double stack. 

Leah  

00:57:14

Yeah. Because you know, land. So, 

Kayla  

00:57:16

So a lot of the cemeteries that around that time, from what I could see, they, yes, double stacking was a thing of cemeteries. And 

Leah  

00:57:27

Mom told me that now with dad, I was like, 

Kayla  

00:57:31

Yeah, it's very, very common. And I actually found an article from 2015 where a woman had two family plots. I believe it was either in the New York marble or the New York city marble cemetery. It was one of the two, but she had two graves that were empty. So we know how big of a deal it is to be buried. Like in Manhattan, the starting price that she was selling, these plots for the C 

Leah  

00:58:13

Darting price 

Kayla  

00:58:14

Was $350,000 starting. Yeah. So see, they were a little 

Leah  

00:58:15

Bit well 

Kayla  

00:58:16

Scented and she did end up selling them, but I didn't see how much she ended up selling them for. But I do believe that bidding got over half a million for each. So at one point, 

Leah  

00:58:28

Oh, I'll tell you Michael messes with me because they can, of course you find something, you pick up that thread because you know, you can, you know, he's not getting cremated because I tell him he can't do that. So he's like, well, maybe you could just, you know, they, they do now. They, they, they can make you until I can Tom. And he can just hurry. And then he saw the thing that you can be made into a tree. And I'm like, no, I do not want you as a tree. Well, but maybe baby can, he can give me a big diamond is where we manage your neck. No, no I'm thinking of in the ground. Or he could be a Drake and put me the ground that way. 

Leah  

00:59:12

No, we're do normal. We're just, we're just doing normal. We're just, just normal. And he's, he's not looking at all these crazy things to do. 

Kayla  

00:59:20

Think of it this 

Leah  

00:59:23

Way. I'm not thinking about it. 

Kayla  

00:59:26

This one. I don't want to think about it. I know he's listening. So he'll appreciate it. If you make him into a tree, you'll just listen, because I'm telling you there could be positives to it. Think about it. If he's made into a tree, the oxygen, he's no longer breathing. At least he's giving to other people. He's not, no trees. Trees are really good. So stinking weird. I love him. And he can be like the tree in Pocahontas. And he's not grandmother Willow. No keeping grandmother Willow. If a tree can happen to me, he choose what kind of tree he would like to be. 

Kayla  

01:00:07

I don't, I don't know. But let me tell you, Michael, I need to know, tell me, can you choose what tree you would like? Because if he does, and he becomes a Willow and you walk past and he gives you a little snap every now and then at least, you know, he's still thinking because we know he's going to go first. I mean, if a tree starts talking to me or a sniff of me on my butt, let me tell you something. He's going to be like, kill it happened. You don't know what happened, but it happened me falling out all the gray, then I'm going to be online. 

Kayla  

01:00:48

What kind of tree would Leah have liked to have been Berry? Berry hill, Mary Lear right next to him. Like, look, you can both be willows if you would like Dogwood. No. Okay. No, no, just normal, regular. And I don't want to be giblets. I mean, I get people not wanting to be buried there. Like I get like people don't. So I've only been to my father's grave once ever. I don't, it's not far from me by any means. It's I mean, I passed by that church the other day. Cause I had to go somewhere. 

Kayla  

01:01:28

It's not far from me at all, but as with most things, how I have very different views on life, a grave does nothing for me. That's he's not there. He's yeah. Why go? Like that's what I understand is like, for some people who, that's just not what they want. I'm like, you know what? I get it because like, I, it's not like I go visit him. I mean, and my grandparents are buried in the same place and it's like, I don't go visit. It's like, it's just not it's. 

Kayla  

01:02:09

Why, why can I tell you something can say something does glow in the dark crosses and such. Y'all so creepy some people. So I saw it on something the other day, but people are taking chicken wire for Halloween and they're taking the chicken wire and they're making them look like ghosts. I've seen that. So boss, this past week had to go out of town. Both of our bosses did for something. You'll have to ask one of them about the photo that he took, because I was show this photo on Friday where they drove past one. And they were like in the woods and drove past one of these things. And he showed me the photo and I looked at him and I said, Nope, that thing comes alive at night. 

Kayla  

01:02:53

I'm out. But he was like, it has creepy. Huh? I was like, that's really creepy. These are pretty cool though. And it was like Augie and I was like, cool, new him. But he said it was randomly in the woods. Like it was not near a house. It was not, it was just there. And I that's what I said, that thing comes alive at night. You called it 

Leah  

01:03:18

In mid haunt. 

Kayla  

01:03:19

It's very creepy because it's like, it's, it's like a woman with this like dress and it's very creepy, very creepy. But yeah, people are making the amount of chicken wire and they're putting them in their yard and it does, it does look like a ghost. It's very, very well done, creepy. So, oh, that is our discussion on creepy things for this week of Halloween. Hopefully you all enjoyed it. I know it's not really a murder or anything, but it's, it's, it's a bizarre happening that definitely in case anybody was wondering why people aren't buried in Manhattan anymore there again. 

Leah  

01:03:59

And you learned a little bit of Leah's childhood history 

Kayla  

01:04:01

And you learned some science about quick line 

Leah  

01:04:03

Stuff. He's learned how to get rid of. 

Kayla  

01:04:09

I wasn't going to say it, but don't use us as a reference. I mean, 

Leah  

01:04:14

You got a Marianne and Wanda situation. 

Kayla  

01:04:19

It's true. I mean Or a, a practical magic they did that they would have, he would have been dead the first time. I don't know 

Leah  

01:04:26

That. I love that. Maybe I need 

Kayla  

01:04:29

To watch that. It's a good time to go watch practical. Magic is very, I like practical magic. It's very good movie. So I hope that you guys are enjoying your Halloween spooky week as it is right now. Let's get in all the pumpkins and apple cider caramel vodka, 

Leah  

01:04:50

The corn. Oh, and here, here's your, here's your Halloween recipe? My very favorite. And I don't have it just for Halloween. Get a bag of candy, corn 

Kayla  

01:05:05

And peanuts. 

Leah  

01:05:05

Mix it with a jar of rusted peanuts and then put in a bag of family size. m&ms mix it up. 

Kayla  

01:05:11

Yeah. I usually do it without the m&ms, but if, but, so, so for anybody, who's wondering if they want to do this and what it tastes like. If you've ever tasted a payday candy bar, that's what candy, corn and peanuts tastes like together. But yes, if you add the chocolate, like you get just 

Leah  

01:05:27

A little bit of chocolate. And if you want to just go a little bit over the top, you can only, only eat a little bit at a time. If 

Kayla  

01:05:34

You can, don't tell people how much they can eat at one time. You've let people 

Leah  

01:05:42

Live their lives. Look, you'll get sick. I might know this from experience. If you can find the little caramel nuggets you can get, like with the chocolate chips and stuff, if you can find a little caramel nuggets in there. Oh, oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Delicious. So there you go. There's your little Halloween recipe. 

Kayla  

01:06:01

And if you're wanting your Halloween drink recipe for the week, cause I know we had an apple cider mimosas last week. So your a drink recipe for this week, 

Leah  

01:06:13

Which I'm not partaking up. Cause I'm on antibiotics. 

Kayla  

01:06:16

Yeah. So as much as Leah squawked last week about, about not having squawked about not getting mad at me about not having caramel Bogut and then I do this week and she has to go get an ear infection. 

Leah  

01:06:31

I've got a middle ear infection, friends, not 

Kayla  

01:06:39

Cool, which is very rare. And of course, Leah got a middle ear infection, 

Leah  

01:06:46

Difficult to treat because apparently 

Kayla  

01:06:50

You are the ear. 

Leah  

01:06:50

When your teeth kick you in your teeth, 

Kayla  

01:06:56

They're too pretty. You can't do that. 

Leah  

01:07:01

Come closer. I'm too lazy. She's taking a drink over the drink that I can't have. 

Kayla  

01:07:04

It's delicious guys, apple cider caramel vodka, ginger ale. Leah had a tiny sip earlier cause I made her taste it. So she would at least know what she was missing. Delicious it's dangerous, honestly, 

Leah  

01:07:17

But it does not taste like alcohol. 

Kayla  

01:07:18

It tastes like fall though. Like, it's just, Ugh. 

Leah  

01:07:20

She's going to have some for me next time. Yes, 

Kayla  

01:07:23

I will. I promise next recording because we'll still be in falsies and it's not just a Halloween drink, drink string string for all seasons. We're 

Leah  

01:07:32

Going to garnish it with candy corn. Cause I'm obsessed. We can't eat corn. 

Kayla  

01:07:37

It's a little pumpkin mallow s anyways, that'd be super cute. So after all of that, yeah, go find us on YouTube. Now that you can find us there, go, go like and subscribe or whatever. You don't need to. Pretty sure you just subscribe, but we'll be posting episodes there as well. Every week we have a website where you can find any and all owing. You see information you were looking for. It's one nation under crime.com. We are one nation under crime on Facebook and Instagram and at O U N C on Twitter. If you love our podcast, as much as we do, and we have so many new listeners go to apple podcast, give us a five-star review. 

Kayla  

01:08:19

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Kayla  

01:09:02

I did have to send some out and I did put that on the note card. It's allegedly dishwasher safe. So yeah, go do that. We have a Patrion where if you would like to help with costs of making and hosting the show, you can go to our patient on just search for one nation under crime. There are several tiers. We would greatly appreciate it. And we will love you forever. Even though we already would. That just kind of seals it in there that we just love you forever. Even more. We appreciate you guys listening to this week's episode of one nation under crime. We hope that we will see you here. Same time, different crime next week. And remember there isn't always Liberty and justice for all happy Halloween guys.