Nov. 8, 2021

1824: The Fall Creek Massacre


It's an event that led to another first in the nation. An event that should have never taken place. A senseless act only brought on by hate. It's another lesson in accepting people who are different than ourselves and remembering hate is never the solution.

This week the ONUC gals discuss the terminology of Native American vs. Indian, the events of the Fall Creek Massacre, and when white settlers were legally executed for killing Native Americans for the first time in the United States.

Trigger Warning Level: Low

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Transcript

You are listening to one nation under crime, a chronological true crime podcast. Each week we go through our nation's history and discuss one case from each year, starting in 1800. I'm Kayla and I'm Leah. And we have now made it we're officially in thankful season. I guess we are thankfully year round. However, I mean, true spooky seasons over there. It's fine. I tried watching ghost adventures with my boyfriend the other night. It, Jesus skeptic. It's fine. He's just a skeptic. Like I don't understand it. And he's sitting there and he's like, do they not realize, but me, me, me, me, me. And I'm like, do you not realize that Zak Bagans is a millionaire from making this show? 

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I'm sorry, I'm with him. And he's like one for him, but we were watching some other stuff too. Like paranormal stuff caught on camera and stuff like that. And he goes, okay, now that I can't explain, I know it was like something on a table that like completely moved across the table and they like show you that there's nothing attached to it. And it's like, somebody's home security camera. Not like somebody filming it. And he goes, and they showed a bunch of other things and he's like, well, that one, not that I can explain. Yeah. Yeah. There are some things that you can not, why does that dude insist on like taunting the ghost? And I'm like, okay, I don't have time to explain to you 25 seasons of ghost ventures right now. 

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All right. Just understand that. That's his thing. He makes fun of them. Like, it's how it goes. It's fine. And he's like, I can't, I can't handle this. And he, anyways, it was an interesting night. And so the point that I was like, you're ruining this for me. And if this is going to continue, then I'm turning it off. We can find something else to watch. I told him multiple times you can find something else. Watch multiple times. He's still kept washing it. And I just looked at her and I was like, we're not hate watching this show right now. That is not what we were doing. He was like, I'm just saying like, there's, there's an explanation. And then it was one of those things where they like showed a sound and then whatever. 

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And then the guy came over and he's like, and this is what happened at this time. And so there was like a thing that went across the screen that said debunked. And I was like, see? And he was like, yeah. Okay. Was like, he's just got to kill my vibe. It's fine. Well, you know, look, when he starts getting haunted, it's not going to be my problem. I'd be like, he's the non-believer guys. I don't know what to tell you. It's just my life. You know, it's just how she is. How I, how I, how I live things. He, because I told him the other day, I was like, do you, this is like several months ago. It's like, do you believe in ghosts? And he's like, we are not having this conference. 

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And it was for other reasons that he was like, we're not having this conversation because it was a totally different reason. But I was just like, all, like, it's a yes or no answer. Like, that's all I need. He has this theory that hospitals, if he caveats with, if exist and I'm like, keep saying if, and if any of them are around and they start coming after you, I'm going to be like him, that guy right there, tall one in the hat. That one. Yeah. I was like, and he's like, I mean, if they exist, then I think that they would be more concentrated like at hospitals. And I was like, maybe I could see that. And then we were kept talking about it and we're watching ghost adventures and it pops up on the screen and it's like a new show starting on travel channel at hospitals. 

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And I was like, Mary, you go. And he goes, absolutely not. Absolutely not. I'm like haunted, hospitals just sound worse. Absolutely worse than like, and they're always abandoned haunted hospitals. And it's like, or, you know, asylums, oh, that's the worst. That's the worst. The show Buzzfeed unsolved. It's on, it's only a YouTube show, but they do like a lot of crime stuff for like Halloween and stuff. They decided to go to all these different, like haunted locations. Like they went to this house in Gettysburg and they did all these different things, but they stayed there overnight and like filmed it, not me, not me. 

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And they went to, oh my gosh, I'd have to think of the name of this asylum. But anyways, they went to like a set up for a horror movie. It truly was. And it's only them filming it. So it's like, there's not a camera man with them. It was. So they were wandering around this place at night. And this was, it was it's in Kentucky. I want to say that just does that just lacks into intelligence, but it was, it was created as a tuberculosis hospital. And so like, it was, and it was supposed to be a resort hospital. So like in the mountains with clear air and it was self-sustaining and they had like a farm they and everything, but it was on a hill. 

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And I cannot think of the name of it right now, but it was on a hill and they, they had a body shoot that went from the hospital to the bottom of the hill because so many people were dying. Like they had to get them down there. So they're wandering around and work smarter, not harder. I get it. But that is terrifying. They're wandering around this hospital and they have no clue where they're going. And all of a sudden they turn a corner and the guy's like, does it feel like this? Like pathways, like kind of slowly sloping down and then they turn the corner again. And he's like, Nope, it's cause it, like, they turned a corner and it was like, where the drop-off. 

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Yeah. And he goes, no, Bobby shoot turned around. I mean, I'm not about this. 

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That would be creepy in the daylight. 

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And it was like underground. It was so creepy. No. So yeah, we got onto a good, a good thing of this. Cause he showed me this video in, it was like this video taken for ever ago in Gettysburg or something. And he's like, that's the only time that I've ever thought that goes exists is because of this video. And I was like, it's pretty good of it. Like it's, it's convincing. It's one of those things that you see, it's not scary, but it's one of those things that you see it. And you're like that can't, there's no other explanation. It's not mist. It's not like lights hitting off of something. It's not it's in his. 

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So he was like, that's the only time that I ever, so then we got on a rabbit hole on YouTube of videos. So it's always spooky season at my house. It's fine. I'm happy with that at look, if I could keep up like Halloween decorations, if I could decorate like really decorate for Halloween, there's some of these people in tech talk that they're called maximalists, like it's the opposite of a minimalist. And they like paint their walls like black. And it's like, but it looks really good. And I just keep staring at it and I'm like, I'm either going to go in one direction in my life right now, a minimalist. It could turn it. 

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If I had the money, it would turn. Now 

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It could turn quick. And I'm like, and I would live that way year round, just speaking. Like I live in the haunted mansion. I'd be happy with that. I'd be happy with that. I'm all right with it. I mean, it's fine. I 

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Got a sparkle. You 

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Can do black sparkles. Fine. Awesome. We are now that we've gone on our one, our first rabbit hole of the week or body shoot, what have you we're in the year, 1824. And we are going to be discussing 

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Interesting. Even know what it is yet. Yeah. I've already talked about a body shoot 

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Case can only go up from here opposite direction with bodysuit. 

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And I'm really tired. I've been up a long time and 

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I told her she's gotta stay awake. Cause I ha she's gonna have some reactions. I can tell you that some outrage is going to happen. It's it's going to be a thing of our sources for this week. We have insider.com. We have native times.com and we have the indie encyclopedia.org. So, you know, it's legit. Cause it's a.org. Does 

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That have to do with Indiana Jones? 

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No. 

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Well you said Indian cyclopedia I got excited 

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Like Indiana Jones. No, that excited for a minute. Okay. That's all right. We were watching. I was only earlier that me and my boyfriend decided to watch Waterworld last night. Bad idea. Different actor. It was very, I know, but it, that made me jump to, oh, also Sean Connery was in that. Okay. This is how my mind works. Okay. Indiana Jones, Sean Connery was in the third one. Sean Connery was in untouchables. Kevin Costner was in untouchables. Kevin Costner was in Waterworld. That's where my brain went to connect that it was yeah. 

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So anyways, we were watching, we were watching that and I asked her why she was watching Waterworld it, not his best moment. It wasn't by choice. It's the craziest thing I've ever seen. Craziest. That's what I'm going with. My boyfriend really appreciated my commentary on it as I was watching. So it was, it was quite funny, but we were watching that and I know I said was this before or after untouchables, because untouchables is like good Kevin Costner, hot Kevin costs. And I was like, so he just went downhill after that. I mean, and he was like, well, he was Robin hood. 

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Right. And I said, Hey, I said, so he just went downhill after untouchables. And that's what you're telling me. He's like, well, Robin had, and I said, do I need to repeat the statement? Provenance was good. Anyways, we'll continue. I mean, Bryan Adams song. Yeah. Such a cool dance. Maybe your middle school. Not mine. We were get low. Came out when I was in middle school. Stop it. I was thinking that the other day, imagine AC of middle schoolers singing and dancing to that song, then I see. 

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Thank you, Sandra Bullock. Yes. Betty White. She's still hanging in there older than sliced bread by the way. I know literally so funny anyway, so I events in 1824. Gosh, good. Such good. February 4th, 1824, JW Goodwrench introduced rubber galoshes to the public wonderful things. Yes. March 11th, the U S bureau. This is the name of it. The us bureau of Indian affairs was formed by John C. Calhoun without authorization from Congress. 

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Oh, he pulled a George Washington right there. She's gonna do it. I'm gonna do it. In April of that year, the United States literary Gazette, a semimonthly publication began, it published poetry by many poets, including Henry Wadsworth, Longfellow and William Cullen Bryant, April 15th to defend the Cherokee's possession of their land. Chief John Ross, petitions, Congress, and fundamentally altered the traditional relationship between an Indian nation and whites. Okay. May 15th, a boiler explosion occurs on the steamship. 

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Aetna underway in upper New York bay killing more than 10 passengers and injuring many more. That does not sound good. No. May 26th, the Arkansas territory split to create part of it was create to create Indian territory. Like what it was called June 8th, the washing machine was patented by Noah Cushing of Quebec. I am aware that that's Canada guys, but it was just a really cool event. Even that year. It impacted us all. Absolutely. I'm very thankful for it. August 20 set. Nope. 

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August 16th, Lafayette visited the United States. Once again, he departed on September 7th. It was just a nice thing to let's see, waiting there. Anticipate bay. No, I don't think so. Okay. Just how was it at this point? Hercules Mulligan had already passed. It's a sad time. October 26th, us presidential election opened and Andrew Jackson received more popular votes than John Quincy Adams. This is the first election that that type of vote is reported November 1st, Miami university, which was chartered in 1809. But it was actually, this was when it was official. 

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November 1st, Miami university delivered its first classes in Oxford, Ohio. Yes, this is Miami Ohio. Interesting. Miami, the Miami university actually comes from the name of a native tribe. That's why it's called Miami. Just in case people were wondering north Miami that you think of November 5th, Stephen van Rensselaer established the Rensselaer school, which became the Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. It is the oldest technological university in the English speaking world. Ooh, November 16th, New York city's fifth avenue opened for business, got to love fifth avenue, November 21st. 

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The first Jewish reform congregation was formed in Charleston, December 1st during the presidential election, no candidate received a majority of the total electoral college votes in the election. The United States house of representatives was given the task to decide whether this was as stipulated by the 12th amendment of the United States constitution. Still there, the U S house of representatives had to decide who the winner was going to be. Yes, December 24th, the Chi Phi fraternity is founded at Princeton university. It is considered the oldest men's college social fraternity. 

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There is a lot of debate as to who is the first, because next week's episode, we'll talk about another one. And they also claim to be the first. So it's very interesting. So we'll get to that as well. Some undated events that happen in 1824, an Iowa native tribe was removed from their location and placed on a reservation in Kansas. This is said to be like the start of the trail of tears. Thomas say began the publication of American entomology or descriptions of the insects of north America and Philadelphia, which concluded the first description of the Colorado potato beetle. 

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Interesting. And John Neil published serially the first written history of American literature. That's cool. Our births in 1824, we have January 21st Stonewall Jackson. He was a Confederate general and an Aquarius March 26. This time. No, I mean at the time March 26th, I'm unaware of whether it's I pronounce it levy some say Levi's some do not some don't. I mean, so I'll say lovey Levi, P Morton. He was the 22nd vice president of the U S he's an Aries. 

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00:16:43

The reason that's confusing. So for some people, cause somebody commented on our Instagram about it after they listened to our very first episode and we say levy, because that's the way that it said in Hamilton and Lin, Manuel Miranda worked very closely with the man, Ron Cher now who wrote the biography for Hamilton. And so he worked very closely with him to fact check the musical. And so they say lovey in the musical, which is why we say levy in the first episode, because it's factually checked. So I would think that would be the better way to say it, but it's either it could be levy. 

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00:17:26

It could be Levi there's other ways to there's one other way to pronounce it too. But there's really like, there's so many ways to pronounce it. And I mean around here, if you see that name right now, it's Levi. Yeah. We would say Levi. Yeah. So you see it on a pair of jeans. Yeah. That's what that was. My thing is I was like we say levy, like the, my comment back was we say levy, like I drove my Chevy to the levee drill. I said, other people say Levi like the jeans. So it just depends on, on who it is anyways. He was the 22nd vice-president and he was an Aries. 

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Then we have August 15th, Charles Godfrey Leland. He's an American humorist. And folklorist he wrote, this is the title, a dictionary of slang, jargon and Kant, embracing English, American and Anglo Indian slang, pigeon English, gypsies jargon, and other irregular phrase ecology. Wow. That is quite a title. Yes. And he also wrote RDA or the gospel of witches. So he wrote the official, which we talked about in an episode that WCA is, is like a, an earth based religion is, is what Wicca is. 

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00:18:53

And so he wrote the first, essentially the first wicked Bible. Wow. He's a Virgo, September 27th, Benjamin app throb gold. He's an American astronomer who created the strong astronom McColl. Astronomical. There you get, whoa, that word did not look right. I know when you say I was like a shrimp astronomical, I went from saying astronomer to trying to my mind was like, that doesn't mean anyways, he was a Libra. He actually has, the gold belt is named after him. 

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00:19:35

And it's like, he discovered it. He was born in 1824, but he has a gold belt. It's the gold belt. And he discovered it, give him on his 1824, which like I understand like Galileo and everything was centuries before, but som was the burst out. So he found a belts near the Milky way. That's like 33,000 light years away. And it's named after him. That's pretty cool. I think I said, he's a Libra, October 5th, Henry Chadwick. He was a sports writer and baseball Stutisheel he edited the first baseball guide that was sold to the public. 

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He created box scores, which are the stats for players during the game that you'll see kind of like that flash across the screen. He created that and he created the abbreviation abbreviation K as a strikeout. Do you know why a strikeout is a K? I do not. He chose the abbreviation of K because the last letter in struck his K and S was already used as sacrifice in the game of baseball. Well, there you go. For those of you do not know what sacrifices I made sure with my boyfriend, avid baseball. Yes. Baseball coach and good and guru and avid washer of baseball. 

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00:21:01

I did ask him to make sure I was like, if you were to describe a sacrifice, is this what you would say? And he was like, yes, actually. So I was very proud of myself. A sacrifice playing baseball is when the batter allows a teammate to score a run while sacrificing his ability to do so and will most likely be called out. So it's like if you see a guy up to bat and he bunts the ball, he's most likely going to get out because he funded the ball and somebody is going to get it. But if there's a guy at third, that's going to get a run. He sacrificed himself. So the other guy, so they label it as a sacrifice instead of an hour. Gotcha. So I was very proud of myself that I figured that one out my boyfriend would be remiss for me to not say, go Braves at this point, after they just won the world series. 

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00:21:48

It's big thing. I think I've said before, my boyfriend is from near Atlanta, Atlanta sports are a big thing for him. So it was quite a deal for the Braves to win, which I saw something that was really funny and sorry. I know we have some Texas listeners, so I apologize to any Astro fans out there, but it was this video of the Braves mascot, like running across the field with the Braves flag after they won. And it was MLB TechTalk and the third comment, I, I screenshot it and send it to him. And again, sorry, Astros fans. It says when the Astros lose all of America wins. 

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Oh, there were a lot of speculation. I mean, again, sorry. Asher assumes there was a lot of speculation that they cheated a lot. And so it was, it was one of those things. It was very interesting though. But fun fact for those of you who did not know during the world series snicker is the coach for the Braves, right? Like he's the head coach for the braids. His son is the batting coach for the Astros. So they were playing each other. Oh, hell yeah. But it was really sweet because anyways, when snicker got the trophy, he, his wife was kind of like off to the side and this was after the game. And they were like presenting them with the world series trophy. 

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00:23:13

And my boyfriend didn't get to see it. He was on the phone with his dad and I was watching it. And I'm not an emotional person, as most people know, I am, you should know by now that I'm not. And I about lost it because they handed snicker the trophy and then they were asking them questions, you know, like how does it feel? And all those normal questions. And then when they got done talking to him, he looked over and he was like, honey, and you could tell his wife wasn't paying attention. And he goes, honey, honey. And she turns around and she looks at him and he's like, we did it. And the camera panned to her and she started crying and I'm like, so I was, we watched the highlights the next day and I was like, oh gosh, it's here again. 

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And he watched and he was like, yeah, that, that got me a little bit too. So sweet. So anyways, now, you know, who created all those things? His name's Henry Chadwick and we have him to thank maybe, I don't know, for those of you whose husbands disappear during baseball season or any significant other, not just husbands disappear during baseball season. I apologize, but it's over now. We, you get a break for a bit. He's a Libra. So there's that. And our last birth of this year on a very important day, December 11th, very important day, very important day in my life specifically, I might have someone turning seven this year. 

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00:24:36

Gosh, December 11th, major Jonathan Letterman was an American surgeon who is credited as being the originator of the modern methods for medical organization in armies or battlefield medical management. Thank you, sir. Yes. Thank you sir. As a Sagittarius. So yes, he is credited as being, he was the first like surgeon that actually created, like, you go here, you go here, like mash. So great show by the way. Great shows. Never watched it. Very good show, watched it growing up our deaths in 1824, March 2nd, we have Susan Rouson. 

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She was a British American novelist poet and playwright and religious writer. She was also a stage actress and educator and considered the first female geographer. Sounds like she was a busy lady. She was a very busy lady. Then April 3rd, we have Sally Seymour. She's just a fun name. I had to put her in here simply because of the name. So think a little shop of horrors. I did be me anyways, which is even funnier considering she was an American pastry chef and restaurant here. Feed me see more if y'all have not watched little shop of horrors. I watched it when I was way too young. So it kind of creeped me out a little bit, but oh gosh, it's so funny anyways. 

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00:26:09

So funny. And let's get into it for this week. We only had two people die that year. Not so only two people of note. Well, I try, I really try. Unless they're very, well-known like Stonewall Jackson is well-known people know who Stonewall Jackson is even like, I don't care which side you were on in the civil war Confederate. I don't care personal care, but anybody knows who he is. That's kind of just a famous name that you've heard. Just, I, you know, like Abraham, Lincoln's a famous name, those kinds of names. Like he's kind of in that realm. A lot of people that they put in here are like, this guy was a Congressman from this year to this year. 

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So I try to not do all that. Yeah. I just wondered if there's more than that, but they were all like, this person was in Congress from this year to this year. This person was governor of the state from this time to this time. And it's like, oh, okay. I mean, great, great. We're thankful for the work that you did. And have you served your country and it's like this person who did this and this battle and I'm like, okay, well, so unfortunately, unless they're very, well-known in their area, I try to just, I try to put other people. So March 24th, 1824, thank you clear. 

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00:27:30

She's made herself known again this week. She made herself known in last episode as well. We talked about her making biscuits. She's not making them now. She's looking her Paul, most expensive, free cat I've ever had. I'm alive anyways. Not better. She is very beautiful. And we talked about it before she was diagnosed with something. We thought she was fine. She's not fine. Anyways, it's a whole ordeal that we're we're w we're working to see what happens. I told Leah earlier, I have, I have a cat that adopted us. Y'all have heard about him. Knox. He adopted us. He was completely free because he just showed up on my front porch and he has, he has feline aids. 

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00:28:13

And I just said, how, how is the free cat that showed up on my porch with feline aids, the least maintenance out of all of my animals. Anyway. So March 22nd, 1824 to go on a low note, nine native Americans were brutally murdered between fall Creek and deer lick Creek in Madison county. The nine victims made up of two families that included two men, three women and four children who were under the age of 10, June 3rd, 1825. And this is, yes, the massacre is terrible. We will discuss it. 

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00:28:53

There is a larger historical significance to this case, which is why I decided to do this June 3rd, 1825 for the first time in us history, white settlers were legally executed for killing native Americans. The first time it ever happened, this is very historical event because at this time this was still when we'll go through it. It was real bad time, real bad time between whites and native Americans. So yes, this was the first time that white settlers were legally executed for killing native Americans. And we're going to be, like I said before in Madison county, Indiana, it is located almost in the dead center of Indiana. 

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00:29:35

The original inhabitants of the area were mound builders and the hay, and they were adeno Hopewell whose earthwork creations can still be seen in the county today. So those big mounds, the OLC of like grass that you'll see in a lot of different areas, they were mounted builders. So very interesting, more recently to the creation of Madison county, the area was occupied by the Delaware native tribe. The treaty of St. Mary's of 1818 was a series of treaties made between the United States and native of central natives of central Indiana. Six separate treaties were completed at St. 

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00:30:16

Mary's Ohio, between the United States and Seneca saunas and Ottawa, which took place September 17th with the Wyandotte made sure that I was going to say that right on September 20th, the Pottawatomie tribe, October 2nd, it's either the way up or the wee tribe. It said two different ways. It's spelled w E a. So it's either way up or we couldn't get from either way. Cause I tried the Delaware tribe, October 3rd and the Miami tribe, October 6th, Madison county was officially created in 1823. 

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00:30:57

So just a couple of years before this from the new Delaware purchase, which is another name for the treaties of St. Mary's the county was named after future president and co author of the Federalist papers, James Madison, he wrote 29. I could think of the other 51. All I could think of while I was writing that as I was like James Madison, route 29, which I've told again, sorry guys, I've totally about this before, because this is just what cracks me up about that part of the play is that, you know, they say John Jay got sick after riding five and they were all supposed to work was again, work, divided evenly among the three men. 

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00:31:42

And so that's only, so they say John Jay got sick after writing five, James Madison wrote 29. And I can just imagine James Madison's so proud of himself because he went above and beyond. He did not have to write that many. He wrote more than I think they were supposed to have total, like he did extra credit. Right? And he was like strolling up in there with his parcels, all bundled up and wrapped, going to pass them over. And, and then Hamilton just walks in with like four boxes. And he's like, here you go. I can just see James Madison going. Can I not just have one thing? Just one, just one. So the first county courthouse, this is, this is interesting. 

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00:32:24

The first county courthouse with authorized in the county in 1828. But its authorization was revoked in 1829. Couldn't figure out why, but it just said it was in 1831, a second authorization was passed and the completed building was placed in service the following year. Was it the same building? It was. I have no idea. I mean like, yeah, you're cool. Wait. Nope. You're not cool. You are cool again during those. See, it's just funny. During the Indiana gas, boom, all natural gas deposits were discovered in the county in 1887 at Alexandria and Anderson the offer of free natural gas brought several factories to the county. 

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Some of the most notable people from this area are Melvin E Bidel. He is a world war two medal of honor recipient. Just thought that was nice. One crystal Harris. You ready for another song to be stuck in your head? Oh dear crystal Harris. Those of you who have watched princess diaries, she is the singer of the song. Super girl, super girl. And I'm here to say, but I want to know who's going to save me. Yeah. That is at the very beginning. And at the very end of princess diaries, it's a very well known song. If you have watched princess diaries about 125 times, like I have, you know, the song and Louis J. White men, maybe. 

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00:34:05

Sure. He is a witness for the prosecution in the trial of the conspirators involved in the assassination of Abraham Lincoln. Oh yes. Thank you. I can clear another terminology lesson this week. Y'all got will science. Y'all got English now terminology. It's just the whole thing. This is actually very important because I don't want to offend anyone in this episodes. Some people might get tired of these things, but I love knowledge and I'm a why person. So you get to go on this journey with me. We believe knowledge is power. 

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00:34:45

It is it's, it's a promise guys. It's not going to be as long at all as last week or the week before. It's something always said, well, this is something that Leah brought up in an earlier episode and we discussed, I can't remember which one, but this week we are going to have so many. Now we do. I had to remember, I had to look up something earlier and I was like, what episode could not remember? It was episode one because you know, so this week we are going to talk about people of the Seneca and Miami native tribes. There's some debate on whether they were from separate tribes or if they were both of the Seneca nation. 

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00:35:27

But I read an article from the insider that I cited at the top that was written by someone who is a okay, C Chanco Lakota native, right? The writer's name was Benny Wayne solely. And they said that a good rule of thumb for this is when referring to natives, call us native American indigenous first nations or by our specific band or tribe. If you want some extra ally points, that's a direct quote from that person. Now there is a lot of debate about terminology in this respect because there are some tribes who prefer to be called Indian based off of tradition. 

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00:36:14

There is an article also because it's guys, I looked at both sides of this because I really wanted to make sure that I did not do anything wrong on this page to be really disrespectful. So I try to be really socially conscious about it. There is an article from the native times from 2015, that is titled native American versus American Indian political correctness, dishonors traditional traditional chiefs of old in this particular article, which was only labeled as written collectively by the native sun news editorial board. It didn't say like a specific name. The writer said, quote, one elderly Lakota man from the standing rock Sioux reservation said recently, if some Indians want to be called native Americans or natives, let them be called that. 

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00:37:02

But I was born in Indian and I shall die in Indian. So if you travel to an Indian reservation out west, you will soon discover that nearly all of the indigenous people refer to themselves as Indian, especially the elders who were still fluent in their Indian language. As chief Oliver, red cloud said a few years before he died, I am a Lakota and I am an Indian. So in other words, I have no clue what to do. Absolutely no clue. So I will say that I'm going to try to use proper terminology to not offend anyone. And if I do, I apologize profusely, please understand that it is just coming out of a place of respect. I am not trying to disrespect fence meant no more trying to say and do the right nine, but there are conflicting, right. 

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00:37:47

Things being told that I don't know to do and to, well it's, it's different preferences, right? It's it's all based off of preference. And then two in this case, it's it's okay. We'll go off of what the tribe is. Will there's so much debate as to where this group was from. They could have been of a mixed tribe. Why? So it's so you don't want to call it the wrong. Yes. Cause I think that's even more disrespectful. Right? So it's a whole thing, guys. I, I really try. So with that being said, Liz, go, I put in my best Lin Manuel Miranda voice. So let's go. 

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00:38:29

Hmm. The fall Creek massacre is also alternatively known as the massacre at deer lick Creek. Very interesting name for a Creek. I mean, I don't know how you get anyways boosted 

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00:38:43

When deer licking the Creek or were there multiple deer licking each other or were they looking at 

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00:38:50

The deer? Could not be tracked down to give a statement. So I don't know his name. It is, it's very confusing. So between November of 1823 and February of 1824, a small group of native Americans arrived at the banks of deer lake Creek, near Pendleton, Indiana, and Madison county, the group set up camp and planned on hunting, gathering firs and collecting maple syrup in the areas around the Creek. The camp was somewhat close to a village of settlers, which was intentional so that they could easily trade with this group of settlers. Some claim that the group of native Americans, like I said before, was composed of both Seneca and Miami native tribes. 

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00:39:32

Then some just say Seneca, then some throw in Shawnee Delaware, or they might've been mixed tribe affiliations, who knows either way. There were. And I know at the top I said two men died. There was a reason either way, there were three men, three women, two boys and two girls, all of the children, again, like I said, we're under the age of 10. The locals knew the three men only as Logan Ludlow and muddle. It's kind of like the names that they were given. It's not clear if that was actually their name, but for continuity purposes. 

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00:40:13

I honestly had to give them a name to begin with because there's so many different ways. There are just stick with me guys. That's all I can say. We've discussed this before in cases, but there seemed to be two stories to the next portion. Some sources say that the settlers had friendly relationships with a group of native Americans and even referred to Logan as quote, a friend of the white men. However, historians have posited that tensions were growing between Ludlow and a few of the settlers, namely James Hudson, Thomas Harper, and John T bridge senior in the days leading up to the murders. All three of those men are going to become very important. 

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00:40:54

We'll say important. I hate to say that, but they'll become important in this case. So key players, that's what we'll say. I hate to say main characters because that's anyways, where I was going. Hudson claimed that he heard Ludlow threatened to kill any of the settlers who messed with any of his animal traps. Hudson also added that Ludlow allegedly threatened his wife because she refused to trade with him. Harper Embridge visited the camp a few days before the attack and Hudson thought bridge was going to poison the native Americans, but he ended up changing his mind. Hudson also added, oh, well you'll appreciate this one. Hudson also added that Ludlow purchased a dog from Harper and Ludlow was furious. 

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00:41:38

When the dog was taken away, I would be furious as well. Yeah. Saying let's give me a dog and take it away. All I can say is that all of these stories combined are from Hudson. So something to think about all one source Hudson was originally from Baltimore, Maryland and moved to Kentucky and then Ohio, and finally settled in Madison county with his family and his wife. Phoebe Harper was a bit of a drifter and was known as a frontiersman who came from Madison county, came to Madison county from Butler Ohio early in 1824. Harper was very outspoken of his hatred of native Americans. Harper's younger sister. 

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00:42:18

Elizabeth was allegedly kidnapped by native Americans when she was only three years old and native Americans also allegedly, allegedly. Cause I have no idea. That's why I'm putting these words in here. Allegedly killed his brother during the war of 1812. Again, I say allegedly, because I don't know if this is a fact. Sure. So to make things more confusing, Harper was the brother-in-law of our third settler in this case bridge our Virta everyone by their last name or just one name because there are a lot of names and I try to keep confusion to a minimum as Patrick and Ellen say on obsessed with disappeared, people might be cleaning while listening to us or doing other tasks are soothing, calming voices in the background. 

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00:43:02

So the less confusion, the better on names. There you go. So I try to like really try to make sure that those are not confusing. So breasts are soothing. I dunno. I'm I'm saying that they are. I mean, I figure you put that out in the universe. It makes it true. I've been told that my voice is like a Disney princess. I'll take, I'll take it. So bridge was originally from Boston, Massachusetts, and also moved to Ohio and then Indiana with his wife, Mary Harper and their children 18, 19 2 years after the family arrived in Indiana, Mary died Embridge might have married the sister of his neighbor, but there's no confirmation. 

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00:43:48

The only reason this is important is because the neighbor's name was Andrew Sawyer and he is also involved in these murders, but there isn't any additional information given for him. So Harper, Hudson saw your Embridge were at a house raising on Friday, March 19th, 1824. They started discussing the presence of the native American families in the area. And as things typically go, the conversation was heating up. And when you add liquor to that just gets worse, which I'm going to enter to interject this here. So hot take, I understand men gossip more than women. 

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00:44:29

And I'm just going to say because all the time, and they're like, Hey, you and me, you just may not necessarily think more, just more than people think they do or say they do. They're a little gossipers. So my, as I've said before, like I said, they're just as bad. My boyfriend works in the automotive industry and he, you know how like days of our lives, it says like, and so his sand through the hourglass, he calls it as the rotor wheel turns. I love it because he says that like, they're the worst about gossiping. And then my ex, his dad is a truck driver for years and they're the worst. 

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00:45:12

And he was also a member of a hunting club, which that, let me tell you, I don't want to commend sitting around a campfire. I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear in the politics that are involved in everything. And I would sit there and I'm like, and y'all say that women gossip, you men are a bunch of little gossips and I don't want to hear it. You get riled up with each other and I don't want it. It's insane. These guys they're just so they added liquor to their gossip sesh and it got worse. The men somehow doesn't help. I know the men somehow came to a resolution that if any of their new neighbors stole their property or threatened their wives, then they were going to be killed. 

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00:45:55

Two days later, saw your, went to the Hudson farm to tell Hudson that two of his horses were missing and he needed help catching them. Here's another slew of names. Guys. The two men also got bridge senior and bridges, two sons, proper, a kid named Andrew Jones and Sawyer's son to try and find the horses, but they weren't able to find them. They all went back to Sawyer's cabin on Monday morning. And they started to suspect that the native Americans camping by the Creek were to blame. Even though the horses were not there either. 

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00:46:35

So, so obviously it was them, right? You get it, you get it. The group left Sawyer's home headed towards deer lake Creek. Muddle was not at the Creek when the group arrived, because he had gone out to check on some animal traps. But the rest of the group were there Hudson and saw your asked Logan and Ludlow for help looking for the horses. And the men agreed with the promise to be paid 50 cents. Each it's $14 today, just FYI, 14, 14 to be specific. The group went into the woods, quote, searching for the horses. And they were still drunk until they reached an abandoned cabin where they stopped and drank some more. 

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00:47:17

And once the liquor was gone, they split up into two groups. Logan went with Hudson, one of Bridge's sons and the kid, Andrew Jones, while Ludlow went with Harper, both father and son saw lawyer and bridge senior. The dad, the other bridge son was with the group at one point, but he left, which like good for him. It comes back. So it's Logan was walking ahead of the group of the men he was searching with. And Hudson stepped toward Logan and gave you, give you a couple seconds here for a trigger warning. 

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00:48:01

If you don't want to hear about some pretty gnarly stuff. So go get, so Hudson stepped towards Logan and shot him in the head. The bridge son in this group hit Logan in the head with the rifle and then stabbed him several times before the men hit Logan's body in the woods. And the other group Harper shot Ludlow in the back while the others watched it's unclear what happened to Ludlow his body after this, because it was never found. I mean, wow, we're not done. Sorry. Shoving it back when that's that's pretty. Yeah, it, yeah, it's pretty bad. 

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00:48:42

The other one that was like, you shot him in the Y and what's even worse is like he's walking in front of him. Like he's walking in front of the group. And then also, so he's like, it's one guy walking in front and then there's like one guy in between. And then the rest of the group behind him. So it's like the rest of the group is just watching everything happen. It's insane. We're still not done with our trigger warning guys. Cause now we got to get back to the camp by the Creek and there's nothing completely, I did not insert details into what happened here because children are involved and I did not want to do that. 

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00:49:27

Good. So everyone, except Hudson went back to the camp by the Creek. This is the trigger warning. Just cause kids where they brutally murdered the three women and the four children muddle was walking towards the camp. When he saw the murders ahead of him. One of the men in the group saw muddle and shot at him as well, but all was wounded, but it's unclear if he died there or not, but old's body was never found either total, the group ended up killing nine people. It gets worse. 

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00:50:09

They set out to do this that's mean so two men, three women and four children, a muddle is not included in this count since it's unclear if he ran to safety or not. So they don't include him in that count. So while there were 10 people like all together, they only say the nine, the group rated the camp and stole everything. They could get their hands on before going back to their homes classes. I'm not, I don't know if any, most people are aware. I mean, I do know we have listeners in other countries and we do have some city folks that like to listen. I'm a semi city folk, but I, I do know quite a bit about the country. 

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00:50:52

So if you're not aware, gunshots are very loud. Yeah, they are. So you don't have to be from the country to know that I'm more in the country though. But just because people, if you, if you're out in the country, a lot of people have got a lot of land. You never know what it really is. Somebody could be doing target practice. Somebody could just be mad at some squirrels. You never really know what it is, but you know the sound when you hear it. Well, sometimes, sometimes you go, is that a car rifle, noises are loud. Like it's not like a handgun. It's a very loud, deliberate, depending on the handgun. But that is true. My husband has some pretty, pretty, pretty loud ones. 

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00:51:35

So word spread that gunshots were heard in the woods and the group of native Americans by the Creek were missing. So apparently saw your wasn't super quiet about what was happening either or what happened that day? Search traumatized maybe or braggadocious, or we'll see a search party was gathered in the nearby settlement. And they went searching for the missing group of people, which was nice of them to go searching for them. I like to think, I mean, yes, common human decency, but still the missing horses somehow found their way home. 

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00:52:18

Interesting. Huh? A neighbor was staying over at the bridge house and he overheard conversations about the native Americans. Once the neighbor arrived back home, he told his father what he heard the father and son who had the last name of Adams. I intentionally did not put their first name because it'd be very confusing to the story, not the same John Adams. So just refer to them as Adams, the Adams told SOLUR what they found out and saw your son. Oh yeah. Weird. I heard gunshots too. Of course he did because he was there. He heard and saw the, this is sorry, guys, this gets real frustrating. 

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00:53:02

And this is where Lee is going to get mad. Adams went to search for the camp and the bodies were discovered. Surprisingly, one of the women was still alive. No, she was unable to explain what happened. And the men left to go report what they found. 

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00:53:26

Didn't just hold on. This just didn't take her with 

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00:53:30

It gets worse in a second. So just Two days later, another group arrived at the camp and the woman was still alive. The second group, how many days is 

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00:53:48

This? 

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00:53:50

They were found the day after. So she was shot three days previous to this. Oh, 

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00:53:56

My word. 

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00:53:58

It gets worse. The second group took the surviving woman to a nearby cabin to try and treat her. Or at least they took her with them. But the owner of the cabin would not let the woman inside. 

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00:54:11

So Jesus would not have done that. It gets worse. 

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00:54:17

She was taken to the bridge cabin. 

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00:54:21

Oh, that's the best place for her. 

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00:54:25

Yeah. And they did let her inside, but she died that same day. So she that's where she is included in that count. So yeah. The bridges who killed her, like tried to kill her. That's where she's taken. Yeah. We'll take care of 

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00:54:38

Yeah. Bring your own. And we know just what to do. 

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00:54:44

Y'all it's I know when I was like, 

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00:54:50

Please 

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00:54:50

Shoot. 

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00:54:51

Okay. Y'all if you find somebody hurt like, hell, well, I mean, now we have someone to help. I mean, if you don't have a signal, I get it. I get it. But I mean, you know, like, wait, wait for the emergency vehicles to get to where you have a signal and bring them to the person. 

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00:55:15

Fun fact people might not be aware of 

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00:55:17

Nothing 

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00:55:18

And about that. No, this is a fun fact though, that people might not be aware of, if you have an old cell phone, whether it is connected to a cellular network or not, as long as the phone is on, you can dial nine one, one, and the call will go through. Interesting. So if you're ever like, and I know some people might not be in that situation, but if like maybe when you go hiking or something, maybe take an old cell phone, that's charged with you just in case yours does die in case you do need emergency assistance. Like it's it, there's some kind of law that they put that into effect that no matter whether the phone is activated on a settler cell, you learn network. 

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00:56:02

It has to dial nine 11. 

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00:56:03

And it, the last to have a signal, 

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00:56:05

It does have to have a signal, but it has regardless it has to dial 9 1 1. So just in case anything like that ever happens, you know, like people have old phones that they like leave in the glove box of their car or something like that. You know, just in case, in case that event never happens to you. Just an interesting law. I know in the U S I don't know about outside of the U S so Thursday at the same week, Hudson, the Sawyer's bridge senior and one bridge son and Andrew Jones. The kid were all arrested. Harper ran into the woods and he was never found the kid, Andrew Jones and saw yours son were released on bond while the rest were in the new, the newly built log cabin, Madison county jail. 

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00:56:53

Okay. Wait. So Harper left his son and he's like, Herbert, didn't have a kid with him. Okay. But you said Harper son saw your son, so, okay. I'm sorry. I thought I told you there's a lot of names here, guys. Okay. I'm sorry. Okay. You're fine. It can get confusing. So yes, yours son, I'm sorry. Bridge had two sons. One of them is the one that left the group halfway through, saw your had one son that he brought with him. And then there was the kid Andrew Jones. So those are the younger people in the story. The four men were tried in Madison county with seven of the top lawyers in the state defending them. 

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00:57:37

They were indicted on April 8th, 1824 and went to court in October of the same year. It was pushed off because the judge was sick for like a very long time. They had to push it off for awhile, between April and October. It's reported that the men escaped many times, but they were recaptured. Oh, Hudson was tried first. Not, not to be confused with Harper. Harper's the one that ran. Yes. Hudson Hudson was tried. First. Andrew Jones. The kid was a key witness for the prosecution. However, the defense called no witnesses on Hudson's behalf. Hmm. 

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00:58:17

The jury deliberated only an hour before they found Hudson guilty. Some people were surprised by the verdict. Hudson was sentenced to death by hanging with an execution date set for December 1st, 1824. It was the first time any white man in the United States had been sentenced to capital punishment for killing a native American. That's how people were surprised. The trial for the other three men were postponed. Hudson appealed to the Indiana Supreme court, which was then in session at quarried in Indiana. The court issued an opinion on November 13th, 1824 written by chief justice, Isaac Blackford that upheld the lower court's decision and rejected a whole points of Hudson's appeal. 

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00:59:06

Good Hudson escaped from jail and hit this. This was interesting guys. Hudson escaped from the jail and hid beneath the floor of a vacant cabin where he suffered from frostbite and dehydration. Good. He was recaptured to me. I'm sorry, but good. He was recaptured. 10 days later, he came as is just reminds me of a anyways, something else, a whole other case I won't get into. He was found when he came out of hiding to get water and he was returned to the Madison county jail while he was missing. 

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00:59:47

The execution date had to be rescheduled for the following January. So on January 12th, 1825, a large crowd, which reportedly include several Seneca and Shawnee natives gathered to witness the historic execution. The condemned man had to be carried to the gallows due to the frostbite he suffered while he was in hiding. You know what? I hate it for you, bro. But you're, I mean, I'm sorry that, that you were in such discomfort. I mean, you put yourself into this situation, right? And, and killing is bad. 

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01:00:28

As I've said, a couple of times, correct. The trials of the remaining three men bridge senior, the, the other bridge son is actually bridged junior. There was the third bridge son, but he was not included in this. So was like, no, no, no. And Andrew Sawyer, who was the dad Sawyer, their trial began on May 9th, 1825 and the third judicial circuit court in Madison county. After 15 hours of deliberation, the jury reached a verdict and saw your's case. He was found guilty of manslaughter, not murder for killing one of the women. 

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01:01:11

His punishment is that the one that hung on for four days? I don't know. I mean, they didn't specify his punishment. Oh, no. Was two years in prison and a fine of a hundred dollars. Oh my gosh. Bridge Jr. Who faced two murder charges in Logan's death was tried next. The jury found him guilty after three hours of deliberation on both counts. However, they recommended a pardon for the teenager due to the influence of his father and his uncle. The jury took only a few minutes to return a guilty verdict for bridge Sr. And then Andrew Sawyer was tried and found guilty of murder as well. 

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01:01:55

The petition to request a pardon for the younger bridge was submitted to the state insided quote, his youth ignorance and the manner in which he was led into the transaction. It went unanswered on June 3rd, 1825, another large crowd, including numerous native Americans from surrounding villages gathered for the executions, which were all conducted at one time. Ah, saw yer was hanged first followed by the execution of bridge Sr his 18 year old son, John bridge Jr. Witnessed both of the hangs before being led to the gallows and fitted with a noose in a hood. 

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01:02:37

At that point, governor Ray had arrived on horseback. He moved through the crowd and stopped the execution after presenting the pinions teenage prisoner with a written pardon? The governor announced here is your pardon go, sir. And sin no more. Wow. The young prisoner was immediately set free as Seneca chief in attendance at the hangings Sinica chief was in attendance at the hangings and the dramatic pardon. And he remarked to the crowd. We are satisfied, complete details of all the related events remain unknown. 

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01:03:22

The original transcripts of the trials were destroyed in a fire and Madison county courthouse in 1880. Unfortunately 

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01:03:28

That happens 

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01:03:30

In fall Creek park and Pendleton Indiana. A stone marker reads three mite, which this has made me really mad in fall Creek park in Pendleton, Indiana, a stone marker reads three white men were hung here in 1825 for killing Indians. Just kind of makes me mad because it's like anyways, in a different wording. I don't know. But in 1966, the Indiana <inaudible> cess quincentennial yes. Commission. They erected an historical highway marker. Noting the incident along state, route 38, 1 half mile east of Markel Ville Madison county. 

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01:04:15

It reads in 18 24, 9 Indians were murdered by white men near this spot. The men were tried, found guilty and hanged. It was the first execution of white men for killing Indians. And that is a story of the fall Creek massacre. 

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01:04:33

I mean, I'm kinda glad the 18 year old got apart. And just because 

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01:04:38

I know frontal lobe stuff, I get it. It's just, it's it's still frustrating. Like, I feel like, yes, you were pardoned, but I feel, I feel like he should've served something. 

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01:04:50

Yeah. That's I was, I was following up. Yeah. I feel like he needed to have some sort of punishment. And I mean, I gotta say, I mean, watching your dad and other close family friend, and I'm sure he, you know, he had been in prison for a while as well. I mean, I mean, he did serve Tom, you know, and you know, I look at now, you know, a lot of times it, you know, your sentence will be time served, will apply to your sentencing, you know? And I get that. And, and so, yeah, probably, you know, some other punishment should have applaud, but he was 18 at the time that he was pardoned. 

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01:05:34

He was 17 at the time of the fraud. Maybe 

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01:05:37

Ma they may have been in jail for a year. Like this was not. So they were not in jail for any substantial amount of time at this point, I think it had been by the time of this execution, the second round of executions, it had been a year since. So yeah, he would have, 

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01:05:57

I'm saying it was about a year that all with all of this, it was probably almost a year is what I'm saying. So I mean, like that's my nephew's age, you know, now not saying that he doesn't know right from wrong. 

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01:06:14

Right. 

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01:06:15

However, correct. However, you know, and I know that I, I, especially at 17 years old would be more led to do what my parent, what my father was telling me to do and what my father said was right. I will be more led to follow what he was saying then to do things for myself. And, and I don't, that's maybe not the right terminology, but I was still very much developing. 

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01:07:01

I was still in my father's house. 

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01:07:04

Yes. And I think the better way to say it is as someone who is taught all of their life, that your parents are right. And you need to do what your parents say. Yes. I think that's where that comes. It's a sense of loyalty as 

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01:07:19

Yes. And my parents are my example and follow my parents 

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01:07:22

Exam. I think that's where it comes from. 

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01:07:24

And so I can totally see that now, now his, his parent was wrong. 

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01:07:30

Oh, a hundred percent. I mean, and it's just, 

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01:07:35

It's a sad situation. There was no, 

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01:07:38

There was no reason for any of it. No reason. I mean, not even like, they were just like, oh, maybe they stole the horses. And then what got me is it was like the horses came back on their own. Yeah. 

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01:07:53

Maybe you could have waited a few days. 

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01:07:54

I mean, I don't, I think they used it as an excuse, but it's just frustrating. Cause it's like, you see, 

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01:08:02

So then you look at it. I mean, you know, I say that and you know, you're looking at, you're told that the then, you know, same age, this kids go to war. 

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01:08:14

Yeah. 

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01:08:15

I mean, you know, it, it's, it's so hard, but I mean, I'm glad that he was given a second chance. You know, he probably should've been punished more further, but I will tell you I'm certain that he had that guilt that he carried around 

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01:08:29

Did that it didn't go into it, but they did discuss his life afterwards. And kind of what happened with it. He did move pretty far away. 

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01:08:37

I was going to say, I wonder if he stayed there 

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01:08:42

Pretty much almost immediately. But he lived to be like in a seventies. So, I mean, he lived, he lived a pretty long life. He was a farmer. I don't know. They just said that he did move away. He eventually did have a family of his own and he was a farmer and that he lived into his seventies, but that was about all that I can really find on him. I would 

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01:09:01

Hope that he lived a good life and that he 

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01:09:04

Learned, he lived at pennant life. That's what I'm. Yeah. Like creepy. I hope 

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01:09:10

He didn't follow in his father's 

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01:09:11

Footsteps. It doesn't seem that that was the case. But you know, it's just stories like that. It's just irritating. I mean, there were kids involved like kids, like under the age of 10 and that's what I'm just like, what kind of monster are you like? That's a kid, a kid it's insane. And which always gets me like watching the news and stuff like that when like kids go missing or, or anything, which if a lot of you have been following, which some of you might not have been. But I do know that we have some listeners that are in Australia. There was a little girl that had gone missing in Australia. She was very little, she was very cute. Oh, precious I say was, she is cute. 

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01:09:54

I think that was her name. Precious little girl. Anyways. She, which is terrifying as a parent. Yeah. She was kidnapped from a tent, sleeping by her parents, which is just terrible. But, and you know what good on this neighbor because you know, the way that they ended up figuring it out. So the neighbor to the guy who kidnapped a little girl, if you don't know who she is, go look her up. She's precious. They gave her a picture. I, yeah, the picture of the Popsicle, but I don't, I, she might have really light brown hair. I don't remember. But I remember seeing a bunch of posts about her and she's so adorable anyways, the way that they ended up figuring it out is the neighbor to the guy who kidnapped her, noticed that the neighbor was purchasing diapers and was like, hold on, you don't have a kid. 

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01:10:50

He didn't have any kids and called the police or it called the authorities. And that's how they ended up figuring out that it was her. Wow. And so they raided the house and that guy had a lot of issues. It, it was, it was really sad. He had, he it's very terrifying that he kidnapped her in the first place, but it was very creepy. He had it. He had a weird thing about dolls to begin with. I mean, if you liked dolls, I'm not trying to say anything negative about you because you liked dolls. He had a creepy liking of dolls like dolls and you can lie dolls. 

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01:11:34

And there's a very big difference. Cleo Cleo, Leo Smith. And if there's a, another podcast that follows us, they're called they're the murderer ethic podcast. But they had been posting regularly about her and about her being missing. See, yeah. As Cleo, I was like, I don't know, Chloe's it? But yes, her name is Cleo. And she was found, which is fantastic. And yeah, it's so many times which I'm always hypervigilant about. She was four years old. Okay. This was, I have this. 

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So this was posted four days ago. It says that she was found, she was allegedly abducted from her family's tent in Western Australia, 19 days before. So she was alive for quite a while. Terrified Cleo Smith was found by police in a private home, around 30 miles from the campsite and has been reunited with her family. And yes, there was a local man. He was arrested. And the deputy commissioner said, it's my privilege to announce in the early hours of this morning, the Western Australia police force rescue Cleo Smith, Cleo is alive and well. And that's very odd because which is so cute. 

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One of the officers. So they go into it. I'll just read this part. The commissioner said a police team broke in, broke their way into a locked house. And, and I'm sorry if I say this right. Carnarvon, maybe, sorry, Australians. If I said that wrong at about 1:00 AM local time and found a child who identified herself as Cleo. One of the officers who found her, picked the child up and asked her name. She replied, my name is Cleo. I read that. They said, this is the outcome that we all hoped for. She vanished from her family's tent. 

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It was the family's first time to the tourist site since the birth of Cleo's youngest sister and their first night in the tent after arriving at about 6:00 PM on Friday Cleo's mother, which this is what, how to place them a heart. Her mom's name is Ellie told reporters early in the search that Cleo woke at 1:30 AM and asked for a drink of water before going back to sleep. When they woke up at 6:00 AM, Cleo was gone. Yes. Cleo sleeping bag was also missing in the zip on the tent was at such a height. The police surmised that she had to have been abducted. And yeah, that's what happened. It was the next door neighbor saw the guy and he was buying, they said nappies. 

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And it was just really cute. And so that's how they realized. And they were like, oh, Hey, this neighbor in the guy, I'm sorry, like, I'm sorry. I hate to judge people by that. This guy's creepy looking like he's not, he it's one of those that I saw his picture. I was like, Ooh, that's unsettling. Like he just, which I have that way of looking at pictures of people and just going, Ooh, I don't like that vibe. So Cleo was found and it was adorable. And yes, they did show a photo of her sitting in a hospital bed. She was completely fine. She wasn't hooked up to anything, but she was eating a Popsicle, her out and everything. They had to check her out. But it was just, which is very, which is the reason that I say that's very odd because most times child abductions are by someone. They know it is like a less than 1% chance that it will be a total stranger. 

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It's very rare in those instances and which a lot of it's like a cliche, but that's why there's the show. The first 48, because the first 48 hours are the most, you know, like in those cases, they're the most, you know, important times. And for her to be found after 19 days was just amazing. We have a website where you can find any and all Owen, you see information, you're looking for it's one nation under crime.com. We are one nation under crime on Facebook and Instagram and YouTube and at O in UC pod on Twitter. If you love our podcasts, as much as we do, please follow us and recommend us to your friends, family, coworkers, strangers on the street. 

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