Nov. 29, 2021

1827: Murder at Cherry Hill


This is a story that has almost every murder mystery trope in the book. We have a man who left his family behind and assumed a new identity. A rich family with ties to big family names. An affair that led to murder and a couple that almost got away with it.

This week the ONUC gals discuss the murder at Cherry Hill, Kayla blows Leah's mind with the Van Rensselaer family tree, and the gals discuss their thoughts on the Wicked movie casting (it pertains to the episode, we promise).

Trigger Warning Level: Low

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Transcript

You are listening to one nation under crime, the chronological true crime podcast. Each week, we go through our nation's history and discuss one case from each year, starting in 1800. I'm Kayla and I'm Leah. It's the week after Thanksgiving. You made it. You're here. Whoop. And you're thankful. Maybe it depends on how your Thanksgiving went. I'm with you. I understand. True. So, and if you are a lover of cyber Monday, that is today. So you can cash in on all of that fun stuff. Hopefully your 

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Computer won't freeze up or anything. Hopefully, 

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Hopefully they shut down. True. True. It's happened before. Hopefully you got some good black Friday deals. If you went out on black Friday and got to go target, I'll tell you of all the black Friday places that does black Friday correctly. Target is number one. 

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The students, the people that went out for that now just do it on the computer. I don't have to put on real clothes to do that. 

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Yeah. But I like to go out. I need to physically touch something to make sure that it's something that I want because sometimes things can come in anyways. It's not what you wanted, but target does black Friday, like Asley. They always do a good job. Like if there's only a certain number of things in the store, like they make sure they pass out everything in advance before anybody walks in the door, they give you a map because they don't put all of the stuff in the store, like where you would think it's 

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They have, unlike on the pallets, like they've got like 

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The Isles of color TV's in with like, yeah. Like it doesn't make sense. So they give you like a little map. That's like, if this is what you're looking for, this is where you can find it. And they did do 

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That. Well, 

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They always do such a good job with that. 

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You're correct. And I have done that. I mean, like I said, I've done that, but when I started like opening on Thanksgiving day, I was like, nah, because I have two Thanksgiving meals to go to on Thanksgiving day. And that's just not a possibility for me. 

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That's why you just got a rally. You just got to get you some caffeine and you gotta go. That's the whole point of black Friday. Not so hopefully you got some good black Friday deals. Hopefully you were able to get in on all of that. And you had a good time as well. Now we're getting into Christmas season. Let's go. So we'll see. We'll see how that goes. 

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Ready? Ready to just start some singing. Some Christmas songs been coming up on my, my apple music. Cause I just do shuffle and Christmas songs like in October. Well, like all year round Christmas songs will come up because I have like, I have, I love Christmas music. And so I have like a whole lot of Christmas music on my, you know, just songs and I just do shuffle anyway, but starting in October more and more Christmas songs start coming up. And so now I don't have to just skip it. You know? Like after Thanksgiving on 

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I'm ready. Yeah. I told Ellie that we would set up our Christmas tree. So probably by the time this episode comes out, it'll be up. So we will say, but we'll get into this week's case. We're in 1827 this week and we are covering the murder at cherry hill. Oh, now most times I try to keep names to a minimum. Now there is a section of this, oh dear. That I totally up out that one day when my wonderful handsome boyfriend was walking into the house, I am sitting on the couch, looking straight at my computer, no TV on no lights on no nothing. 

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Guys. It gets dark here early. I am sitting on the couch in the frickin dark staring at my computer and he walks in and he's like, are you okay? And I said, I just connected something that I never knew that is now gotten me to connect everything else. And it connects this episode to like four of our other episodes Dak done. It was one of those events that I could not process. 

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What I was seeing at that very moment in time was like, is this real? Is this? So there's a section where there are going to be a lot of names, but you will know those names and just stick with me through it. It's not a long section, but trust me, you will be intrigued as well. Our sources for this week, we have the Albany rural cemetery. They have a blog and it was on there. And the always formidable murder by Gaslight our events in 1827, February 7th, the ballet was introduced in the United States at the Bowery theater in New York city, February 28, the Baltimore and Ohio was chartered. 

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And it became the first railroad in America to offer both commercial transportation and people. So people and freight could go on the same train. I was going to say simultaneously, gotcha. March 12th, the U S Supreme court ruled that imported goods in their original packaging are under federal jurisdiction and not subject to state regulation in the case of brown versus Maryland. Essentially what, the only thing you need to know about this thing, the entire premise of this case began when Maryland passed a law requiring importers of foreign goods to obtain a license, to sell their product in the U S Supreme court said, nah, not happening March 16th, the freedom's journal began publication in New York city. 

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It is the first us newspaper owned and operated by black Americans. And its founder is John Russ from rust worm, Russ worm, Russ warm that's better than rust worm. April 2nd. And Joseph Dixon began manufacturing led pencils in Salem, Massachusetts. Those are very, very wonderful things to use. May 21st, the Maryland democratic party was founded by supporters of Andrew Jackson in Baltimore, Maryland, July 4th, slavery was abolished in New York state, July 23rd. The first swimming pool in the United States was opened and seen in Boston, Massachusetts. 

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What steam meant? Poland, November 15th. It's a cleaner one. I mean the Creek native tribe lost all of their property in the United States, got to love it and an undated event, which was just interesting. The original Delmonico's. I believe that's how you say it. It's a restaurant that opened in Manhattan. It is the first American restaurant to introduce the idea of ordering from a menu and having a separate wine list for patrons to choose from it held the title is one of the nation's top fine dining establishments. During the 19th and 20th century, they were the first ones to actually give you a mini you, instead of just having like one thing that they serve and that's what you get and that's it. 

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You could actually choose what you wanted. Interesting. And the second undated event, John Neil opened the first public nauseum in the United States that was founded by an American in Portland, Maine gymnasium. For those of you who don't know Jim Nasim is what it looks like when you read it. So whatever bursts in 1827, February 17th, Rose Terry Cook to author and poet. Her first works were published in the New York Tribune and she was related to Henry Wadsworth Longfellow. She is an Aquarius, March 25th, Stephen Bleaker, a loose who's a us Navy Admiral who founded the Naval war. 

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College is Aries, June 9th, Francis miles Finch. He was a judge poet, an academic he's just all over the place. He is a Gemini. So that makes sense. Geminis are kind of known to have like two personalities. Like, I mean like my sister, who is a lawyer and has an undergrad in English and psychology. No, cause those things are similar to one another. You need psychology to practice law, but she started out if she was like a music. 

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Yes. 

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She started out in math. Like she wouldn't be an engineer. No. Well, I don't like 

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If she were like a music major and then went on to be a lawyer or a musician though. Well then there you go. So kind of very beautiful voice. September 18th, John Townsend Trowbridge, he was an American author. He was a Virgo, October 12th, Josiah Parsons cook is an American scientist who worked at Harvard and he is known for his contribution in creating the measurement of atomic weight in Adams. Hmm. Just wow. Yeah, the Libra just anyways, the fact that people at this time were so intelligent that they figured that out just still astounds me. 

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Yeah. It astounds me now. And they had nothing compared to now. So it's just, just crazy. November 26th, Ellen gold white was born. She was an American author and co-founder of the seventh day Adventist church. For those of you do not know Protestant, it's a Protestant Christian denomination who observes Saturday as the seventh day of the week and therefore the Sabbath and it emphasizes the second coming of Christ, also known for adhering to kosher food and advocating for vegetarianism. She is considered a leading figure in American vegetarian history and Smithsonian magazine labeled her as one of the 100 most significant Americans of all time. 

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Couldn't do that because I choose Sagittarius 

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Meat. That is true. I don't know. I've I've did vegetarian for a little while. I actually, at one point knew quite a lot of people who were seventh day Adventist. I'm very familiar with the religion. It's very, it, it is. Saturday is like church day. You don't do, you can go to church, that's it. You go home. And they were vegetarians. Very, very, 

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And if you can do that, then that is fantastic. But I'm sorry. I love to eat meat. I mean, I don't always have to have made all my height. Like I can, I can go without meat for a meal. That's fine. But I mean, sometimes I got to have a steak, well, you know, or ham or bacon. 

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So there's a lot of, because like I said, I did, I was a vegetarian for like, I did just like a vegetarian thing for several months. I think it did it for like six months. But what I would do is because a lot of people that are red, like that change to be vegetarian for awhile. And then they go back to eating meat. Their body has like really weird reactions to it. And so what I would do is I would allow like one meal per week, I would eat something that was like actual meat, like chicken or something like that. And then the rest of the week I would just eat vegetarian food. And I will say in my quest during that time, a lot of meat alternatives that tastes exactly the same. 

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Like, and I, I am a connoisseur of food and they taste and like, trust me if I just thought that they didn't, I'd be like, that's garbage. Like it's not good, but a lot of them they've come a long way with those things. So now back at this time, your only option is just vegetables. That'd be a little bit difficult. Yes. But anyways, her name was Ellen gold, white. And like I said, if you can do it, that's great. I just, I like meat. I can, I could do it with the meat alternatives that there are, I wouldn't have an issue with it, but, and they're coming out with a lot more of them too, which is so that's anyways, our deaths in 1827, February 22nd, Charles Wilson Peale. 

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He was an American painter, soldiers, scientist, adventurer, politician, and naturalist. He is known for his paintings of the leading figures of the American revolution in establishing one of the first museums in the United States. It is now the Philadelphia museum, April 29th, Deborah Sampson, Ganette. She was Massachusetts woman who disguised herself as a man named Robert Shirtliff in order to serve in the continental army during the revolutionary war, making her the first female soldier in the United States. Sounds like she's got some pluck. Well, look, I looked into her. I wouldn't mess with her. 

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She's like Milan. That was just about say she's, she's like Milan for the revolutionary war. Somebody should make that a movie trademark. If anybody else comes out with it, November 10th. St. George Tucker. Very interesting. Anyways, that you're, I mean like St like St. George Tucker. Yeah. So it was very weird. You're not a Saint anyways. He's a lawyer and professor of law at the college of William and Mary he's notable for increasing the requirements for a law degree and believed that lawyers needed deep educations in order to practice. That is probably your sister. Hm. I could see that. 

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Yeah. Let me see that. We'll get on to our case this week. Cause like I said, we are going to get into such an interesting, would there be lots of gasps? Yes. I was practicing May 7th, 1827, Jesse Strang climbed onto a shed on the backside of cherry hill mansion and fired a shot through a close window, killing John Whipple. That was not timed we're in Albany, New York. We've been in New York a lot the past few weeks. I'm assuming that this was an assassination and it was intentional. He was a sniper. You'll see, essentially you'll find out we straight answer. 

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No, you got to listen to the case. We are in. I, if I can't tell the people, I can't tell you. We are in Albany, New York this week. And we've been in, we've been in New York a lot, a lot, a lot happened in the past few episodes. Albany is the capital and located in the Southeast section of New York state. It is roughly 135 miles away from New York city. And it's on the west bank of the Hudson river there. The area where Albany is located was originally inhabited by the Algonquin speaking Mohican tribe. Albany is one of the oldest surviving European settlements from the original 13 colonies and the longest continuously chartered city in the United States in 1664. 

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The name was officially established as Albany in honor of the duke of Albany, who was the youngest son of the king of Scots. The city saw a major increase in real estate transactions during and after the revolutionary war, the upper Hudson valley at the time was shown to be a peaceful area away from fighting and many flocked to the area to build homes. There might be something coming out this week for our listeners that might involve the Hudson valley at some point something. 

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So we will say X, maybe we shall see. So yes, they went there to build homes that have a T that's what I'm known for in T due to this in 1790, when Albany reported its first official census, the population was 3,498, which was a 700% increase since the city was first, originally chartered, November 17th, 1793, a fire broke out, which destroyed 26 homes on Broadway maiden lane and James street and state street. 

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The fire originated at a stable that belonged to Leonard Gainsbourg and it was suspected to be arson. This gets, this comes out for a bit, so oh no animals died. No, no. Sorry. Worst at animals and kids style. Yeah, no, this has this relates to our story for this week. So that was why I had to put it in. Just be prepared to be mad. Anyways. They're orphans, no worse. Gosh, Kayla. I mean, you're killing me. 

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I'm the one that had to research this. So I turned it down worse than orphans die. Oh no. Three people were arrested and charged with arson. Pompei was an enslaved man who was enslaved by Matthew Visher Dinah was a 14 year old girl enslaved by Volker Dow and bet. A 12 year old girl enslaved by Philip S van Rensselaer in January of the next year, the three were tried and sentenced to death. The two girls were executed by hanging on March 14th, 1794 and Palm Pei's execution took place the next month on April 11th, they had no proof that they were the ones that started the park. 

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Like I said, worse. Why, why, why, why did they say they did it? And you don't, you, they were just cut a lot of things out. You don't want to get into it. Just the ones that were there. They were the ones that were easily pinned scapegoat in 1797, the capital of New York was moved permanently to Albany. It is the 10th oldest state Capitol in the United States, but it is the second oldest city that is a state Capitol after Santa Fe, New Mexico. Weird. That is weird in 1807. Robert Fulton initiated a Steamboat line from New York city to Albany. And it was the first successful enterprise of its kind anywhere in the world. 

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There is a lot of history relating to Albany, but mostly sorry, any all Albanians, it's mostly known for its string of financial issues through the decades and recessions in the area that road, the other part of the history has to do with infrastructure. But honestly that sounded boring. So moving on Albany, Albany has more than 60 public parks and recreation areas. Washington's nice. Washington park was designed by John Bogert and John Kyler in 1870 and open the following year. 

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The reason I'm bringing this up is because it's a bit of a callback to our burial crisis episode. Not the too many people were buried in one area, but the area that Washington park sits on today. Oh no, it was a cemetery. No, the tenants were moved to Albany, rural cemetery before it was built. But it just seems like a recipe for a haunting. If you ask me, will you push me there? Like, are there swings moving at night? Oh, this used to be a cemetery. There's no talent. So the way the lights were flickering in Michael's office last night and I was like, dude, does this happen a lot? 

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You got, 

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I mean, that's why I always say you gotta be nice to him. Never know who's listening. There've been some movies filmed in Albany, including iron weed, which was a 1987 film starring Jack Nicholson and Meryl Streep salt starting Angelina Jolie and the like that Navy, the other guys starring will Ferrell. 

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Mark Walberg have you seen salt? Yes. Are you sure? Yes. He hesitated. Yes. 

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Okay. Now there are many movies you 

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Haven't seen. We're 

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Getting to one portion of something that happened in Albany. 

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Oh, she's looking at me guys. This means I need to prepare. 

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Leah is not going to be allowed to speak. Oh no. Until I am done. 

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Oh no. 

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At all. 

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Oh. Cause I interrupt. 

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You'll see why we're going to see that this is a test guys. We're going to see if it can happen. Can I sing? No. Oh no. Not speak at all because nobody's going to hear what's going on. So one very notable person from the area is Gregory Maguire. The author of wicked the life and times of the wicked witch of the west, which as we all know, was adapted into the Broadway show wicked. And as I am sure, most of you know, by now at the beginning of this month, the director for the movie adaptation of wicked, Jon M Chu, who also directed in the Heights. And now it's that the lead roles for the film are Ariana Grande and Cynthia or voo. 

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Cynthia RVO is set to play Elphaba and Ariana Grande's is set to play the Linda. You may now speak 

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And wait for this to come out. I didn't wait and all this to come out. They had been teasing me for 

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Years guys, sending out, 

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Look, I've always said that Leah, Michelle would have been wonderful for Elphaba. I 

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Always heard she's not a nice person. Well, 

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I don't care if she's, I mean, I care. I want everyone to be a nice person, but I really think she would be a great alphabet. I think she would be. I really think she'd be, I mean, because when she was on glee, Idina Menzel came on glee and they sang together and I was like, mm, yeah, I could totally see her taking on the role. I think she'll be really good as an alphabet, but Hey, I'm just glad the movies being made. And can I tell you, what else? What's his name? He was the fairy godmother in the Amazon prime. What's his name? What is, what's his name? You know what I'm talking about? Porter, right? Billy Porter. 

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00:23:37

Billy Porter. Yes. I would love for him to play. Take the role like in the re-imagine the role of Madam Mirabelle would love. 

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I wonder if they'll do something like that. I would 

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Absolutely love for him to take over that role and re-imagine it for him. Oh my heavens. I would love for him to play that role. I think he could, oh my gosh. I would love for him to play that. So, so that's why he told me I couldn't talk and I'm really, really excited about it. And I, when I asked if I could sing, I did not know that's what you were talking 

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About. You see why? I said no, but 

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Now I'm really, really excited. And they have been teasing me for years that this movie 

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Come out, just like when they teach, they kept teasing Hamilton like that. They reported it, but they don't know when it's going to, but this is worse. 

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So, and by the way, I'm a Golinda in case you listeners forgotten beyond my 

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Alphabet. 

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Yes. I mean like the first time I saw wicked, I went with my cousins and at intermission, they were like, oh my gosh, Belinda is Leah on crack. 

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00:24:38

Pretty much, not too much crack there. So for those of you who are not aware because I was not a hundred percent aware of who Cynthia Urbio or Evo, I believe is really familiar with the original cast for the color purple. And she was like Tony nominee. Like she is, she's been in a lot of movies too. The movie that they came out with called Harriet, that was about Harriet Tubman. She played, I believe she played Harriet. So she's been in a lot of things that have been very good. And she, yes, she is part of the original cast for the color. 

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00:25:19

Purple. Okay. So she has a very extensive playbill, you know, injury. And then, I mean, everyone should know who Ariana Grande's is. 

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Well, and she actually, she met, I'm very happy about it. Yes. And she actually sh she is really good friends with Kristin Chenoweth. Like she actually, before she was Ariana Grande day, like she met Kristen Chenowith backstage when Kristen was so 

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00:25:52

Almost almost 10 years ago to the day Ariana Grande day tweeted that she had just seen wicked. And that she, her dream was to one day be in the wicked almost 10 years to the day that the announcement came out. Love, love. So I really like, I really like Ariana Grande day. I, I have a lot of respect for her in a lot of ways, but also she can just sing like she is and can sing like, 

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Like really sing. I 

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Mean, and she was an actor for a really long time. She's been in a lot of different things. Like, I, I think that for these roles, you have to find singers, not so you need the, 

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But they have to be able to actually sing. They have to sing well. And I think a lot of people don't realize that she has this capability. And I think that a lot of people are going to have a new found respect for her after this. And let me, let me say this. Let me say this. Okay. The sound of music. I can probably perform like the whole thing for you right here right now, because I w first thing we ever set our VCR to record while we were not at home, by the way, like major technological advance when I was like five or six years old. So we set it to record my sister and I just about wore out the VHS tape. 

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00:27:27

Okay. I love, love that maybe. And they, you know, they they've done the live performances. I'm a huge Carrie Underwood fan girl can sang. She's beautiful. She has got legs that I wish I could have, you know, half as good of a legs as she 

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Has. She's vegetarian continue. 

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00:27:51

I did not love her in the sand of music. That is not her strength. Singing is her strength. I've seen her in interviews and I have absolutely loved her. She's a great performer. She's not an actress. 

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00:28:10

So it was not good. I mean, I, and I hate to say that, but it, it was, it was terrible 

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Just because you are a great performer and singer does not mean that you are a good actor. 

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00:28:20

Just like, just because you're a great actor does not mean you're a good 

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Sense lately. So 

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Now the one person, I will say this, the 

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<inaudible> the petition to 

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Keep him about who? 

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00:28:34

Oh, shoot the late-night guy. What's his name? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 

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British. Oh, James Gordon. 

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00:28:42

Yes. There's a petition to keep him out. Keep him away from wicked. It makes me say he's not the one I'm speaking of. I'm sorry. I thought it was the 

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00:28:51

One beautiful man. I'll take that back. There are two beautiful men who are actors who have gone on to either have a movie or be on Broadway or do a musical themselves. One, you drag 

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00:29:18

Them. 

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00:29:19

He can do it all. He's amazing. He's gorgeous. 

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00:29:23

He's done music, man. Yes. To 

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00:29:26

Gerard Butler is the Phantom and the Phantom of the opera. 

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00:29:31

Yes. Surprising. He's a process cell phone there. 

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00:29:35

And he also did not want to take the role without putting, making like the music jut because he knew it was a big role. He wanted to make sure that he liked it. That, but to two men who are fantastic actors who actually were able to like make the jump either way, super happy for both of these women, they deserve it. I think it's wonderful. I love Ariana Grande's. She is also a fellow cancer area. And I want to say we have the same birthday, like the she's born a year behind me, but we have the same exact like June 26. Can I give you a hot take? I love her. 

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00:30:16

I didn't love Hugh Jackman and Les MIS well, I didn't love the anyways. I mean, I'm sorry. I love him the movie version of Leymah's, but by I think a lot of things. So for those of you, if you have not seen Hugh Jackman's most recent, beautiful musical movie, the greatest showman, it's a mojo. He was given a lot of artistic license in that. I don't think he was in Les Miz. 

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00:30:56

I think he was having to do what he was told. Whereas people have said that when, you know, the greatest showman, like he had a lot of input on a lot of things. And if you don't know, I mean like the greatest show, there's so many aspects to that movie that are fantastic. Not even just the movie itself, just knowing like the behind the scenes stuff that like Zendaya was actually doing acrobatics without anything on her. Like she was doing it. There was not, there were no wires connected to her. There was no nothing she was doing. She was doing this stuff on her own. It's just crazy. 

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00:31:35

And I mean, then just the whole thing is amazing. Yes. And the, the one that plays the bearded lady, she was originally on Broadway. She is one of the original cast of waitress. And she was only so when they first brought in everyone for the greatest show them, and they were only supposed to, they're bringing in a group of people who were amazing singers to tweak the music, to get it right before they cast people. She was one of the ones that was there for that. And then they ended up getting to it. And Hugh Jackman was like, y'all, can't replace her. 

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00:32:18

Yeah. She is talk her into it. She had, there's a, there's a video of them. Prac like rehearsing in a, just like a script reading room. Yes. And he like grabs her hand and she starts crying in the middle of her singing. And it's just like, it's such a beautiful moment. But he told them, he was like, y'all, can't replace her. Like you can't she's this is her. And it's, it's just such amazing. Anyways, we gotta move on. We can talk about musicals forever, but quite a while. So the man who wrote the book, which is very different from the musical. 

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And if you haven't read it, you need to, he wrote the book he is from Albany. It's very twisty by the way. So cherry hill is a beautiful estate that overlooks the Hudson river. And by the time of our story today, it was already 40 years old. It was built in 1787 for Philip S van Rensselaer. Now that's quite a fancy name. If he sounds familiar it's because he was involved in the stable arson in 1793. One of the people who was hung was one of his slaves, the youngest anyways. 

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And if you thought we've talked about another van Rensselaer in a previous episode, then one good for you. You get a cookie too. You are absolutely correct. In a previous episode, our episode of 1824, we discussed Steven van Rensselaer, the third, who was the founder of Rensselaer Polytechnic university, AKA the oldest technological university in the English speaking world. Hmm. Philip and Steven we're brothers. And are you ready for me to blow your mind? 

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00:34:31

You need to match here. This took me hours to figure out and I'm so excited. So just, just wait, just wait. Can respond after it's people will lose X. There's a lot of names. All right. Are you ready? Hold my breath. Guess who? Steven van Rensselaer was married to from 1783 until her death in 1801, Mrs. Van Rensselaer. And do you know what her name was? I just told you Peggy Schuyler, but wait, there's more Peggy. 

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00:35:11

And Phillip and Steven had a sister. Her name was Elizabeth and she, like I said, stick with me guys. It's worth it. Trust me. Elizabeth was married to John Brad street, Skylar, who is the Schuyler sisters brother. Let me continue. The patriarch of the Schuyler family. Senator Phillip Schuyler was married to Catherine van Rensselaer. So to bring it back, the S and Phillip van rinse Philip S van Rensselaer is Skylar. 

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00:35:53

His name is Philip Schuyler van Rensselaer. He is the one that owned the house that we were speaking of today. He was named after Senator Phillip Schuyler, who was the father-in-law of Alexander Hamilton. And there you go, right in mindblowing. The only way that I've thought it, cause I was like van Rensselaer. No, we just talked about that. Cause I had to figure out how to say that name and Peggy and I was like weird. And so I went back to Stephen van Rensselaer and I was like scrolling through his Wikipedia page. And all of a sudden I see married to margarita, Skylar would say, yeah, anyways. 

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00:36:39

So also if you look up the most, the most wealthy people ever, ever, Steven van Rensselaer is number 22 at his death. He was worth Wenty billion dollars. So way more than $500, then it's like the equivalent of like 210 billion today. Oh mercy. So, so Peggy was set, but they weren't married long. 

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00:37:21

She, she died less than 20 years after they got married and then he married again. But yes. So Philip Schuyler van Rensselaer made his money by being a merchant and a farmer. But don't let this fool you because he already came from money. Apparently the van Rensselaer ears have a family tree Wikipedia page. Oh my gosh. Their pay. They, their family tree is on Wikipedia. That's how I had to figure out all this stuff and connect everyone. And it's not cohesive, but they have their fame. 

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00:38:02

Like the only other family that I can see that has, that is like the Rockefeller's like the queen. Like that's the only thing that I can see. Like this makes sense. So originally the van rinse liers obtained their wealth by being a part of the Dutch east India company. This probably sounds familiar because there was a Dutch, any British east India company, the British east India company might come back and something coming out this week, anyway, they traded spices. So sugar, wine, all those things. So the van rinse, like we're a part of it in the beginning fill up. 

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00:38:42

He was also the mayor of Albany two different times just for fences. But Philip died in 1798. But at the time of this story, his wife and some sources say her name was Maria. But everything that I saw her name's Anne. Well, perhaps Maria on the official. No, because I looked at it, I looked at her full name to see like, is there something in her full name that makes her like margarita and Peggy, that doesn't make sense. But nickname for Margaret is Peggy, which makes no sense. But that is, but I was looking up her name, no nothing in her name indicates she would be called Maria. 

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00:39:27

And she's only called Maria and two sources and everything else as an however, sorry. But if you go to murder by Gaslight, they call her Maria everything. I found it says, Anne, so I'm calling her in. So at the time of our story and was still living at cherry hill, even though her husband had died many years before, not only did Anne live there, but also 16 other people. Oh. And was in the north side of the estate and her son, Philip P van Rensselaer had the south side with his wife, Katherine and four of their seven children. 

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00:40:12

Again, too many. Yes. Those Southwest bedroom was rented to John and Elsie Whipple and their son Elsie. So I said, Phillip van Rensselaer was married to Catherine. Right. And then John and Elsie Whipple also live there. Elsie was Catherine's nice. Okay. Yes. So it was rented to them or rented? Yes. Oh. Cause they were not technically a part of the family, like yes, they were related ish, but not, she wasn't a van Rensselaer because Catherine married into the Rensselaer. 

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00:41:00

So she was renting it from and van Rensselaer. So yes, Elsie was known to be a bit overdramatic and rebellious. Same father died when she was young and Elsie was raised by her grandmother and mother who also had the same personality traits as deer when she was four teen. And I put WTF, she eloped with her next door neighbor, John Whipple, she eloped at 13. John was 23 when Elsie was 14 just in case that is not totally clear. 

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00:41:46

Oh the elopement did not go over well with Elsie's family. Yes. Thank especially her grandfather, captain Abraham Lansing. You see captain Lansing had given Elsie's father a substantial amount of money and land that was supposed to go to LC. Oh. But now John Whipple would be the one to take that over because everything went to the husband. That was her dowery. So many people thought that John was a bit of a gold Digger and that he conned Elsie and to marry him, he a gold Digger, but Elsie, he and he conned LC. 

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00:42:36

They think that he called LC into marrying him because he knew that she would be the heir to all that money. And she was 14 years old and she had stars in her eyes. In fact, she got attention from a man. Captain Lansing was so convinced of it, that he took John Whipple to court in an attempt to get the money and land back captain Lansing loss. Oh no. Once the captain had died, once the captain died, the family eventually figured, you know, he's going to be around. So we might as well be nice to him. Plus John Whipple took that small inheritance and turned it into a small fortune. 

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00:43:17

Well, at least, at least he didn't, you know, gamble it away. Right? Mainly so there's that, this is where Joseph Orton enters stage left or tin Wharton. He was a Workman who lived in one of the basement rooms of cherry hill, Ella basement room. That doesn't sound creepy. He was, I'm going to assume affectionately called doctor because he knew how to read and write. And he wore glasses. Anyway, he did typical work on the farm, repaired parts of the house and chopped wood. But no one knew that his real name was actually Jesse Strang. 

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00:44:05

And to top it off, he had a wife and four children in Fishkill, New York who he abandoned two years before he had just much easier to do back. Then he apparently pulled the I'm going out for milk and never came back and still wasn't cigarettes. He faked his own death as Jesse Strang and came back as Joseph Orton, we are going to call string string notice Elsie for the first time when she entered a Tavern in town with her cousin, it said that the girls got a little rowdy and K they were tipsy. And Elsie came across a two string as sprightly, playful and giddy. 

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00:44:50

He told the Tavern owners son that he wanted to sleep with Elsie. Oh, it was after that one string went to work at cherry hill. His feelings for Elsie grew. They pass each other in the home and sometimes they exchanged pleasantries. But most of the time they did not. Until one day the two were talking with one another and Elsie noticed something in string. She asked string to write a letter to her and tell her about his feelings for her. And string was extremely confused after all Elsie was married and he didn't want to cause any trouble with someone in the house of his new employer, but this was too good for him to pass up. 

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00:45:36

He wrote Elsie a letter later on the letter was destroyed. But during strange trial, he reconstructed the letter, which supposedly said, oh, there's a lot of misspellings in this. Oh, I hate going back and reading it's bad because you're like, I mean, did we not have a consistent way? Like knowing is now showing intention is in tin shin. It's kind of like when you read a page of Facebook purse of someone, you're like, I know you graduated high school, but this is bad instead of to like T O O it's two. 

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00:46:17

So just know what I'm having to read through dear LC. I have seriously considered on it as you requested of me yesterday. And I've concluded to compose a few lines to you. And I thought it was not my duty to write very freely, not knowing your object, perhaps it is to get some of my writing to show to your husband as you're a married woman. Oh, this is harder to read than I thought. And if that is your intention, it is my wish for you to let me know it for it is a thing that I scorn to make a disturbance between you and your husband. But if on the other hand, it is out of pure affections. 

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00:46:59

I should be quite happy for, to have the information in your handwriting. And I hope that you will not take any. This is what this is. I hope you will not take any offense in my manner of writing to you as we are perfect strangers to each other, but hope that those which he spilled hop, but hope that those few lines may find free except 10 reading this word for word with you. And after I found out your motive, I can write more freely on the subject. And well, yes, I remember prototyping this cause I thought that I was repeating myself anyways and hope that these few lines may find free accepting with you. 

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00:47:47

After I find out your motive, I can write more freely on the subject and ask for my affections. They are quite favorable. I shall expect an answer from you. If that is you motive. So ma I remain your wellwisher Joseph Wharton, AKA Jessie string later, Elsie handed string, her response, which said in part, my motive is out of pure love for you. She ended the letter. I remain your true and affectionate lever until death separates us. All of hers was spelled correctly just saying so much like our previous episodes, this just sparked another Romeo and Juliet situation. 

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00:48:38

Except for this time, Juliet was married with a child and Romeo abandoned his family, but whatever, they kept exchanging letters with one another through the servants, their love allegedly grew. And it became a fun game between the two who didn't have any privacy to steal away with one another. But according to string, the two did have quote, criminal intercourse, Elsie romanticized about her running away with string and how they would be able to do this together. They needed money for sure, but Elsie wasn't entitled to any money while she was married. The two mate of his, her husband had her money. 

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00:49:18

The teammate had packed with one another that they wouldn't dare speak of the affair between one another. And if anyone found out, then they would hang together. Oh, this is giving me Beauchamp guides, vibes hard. How romantical? Right spring of 1827, the secret couple decided they needed to do something in order to be together. So obviously string bought poison. I mean, de Elsie's husband took a tonic every night. And the plan was to put arsenic in the tonic. Well much to their chagrin. This only made Elsie's husband have stomach cramps. And it actually didn't kill him with litter. 

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00:49:58

With the first plan, failing, the couple went and found a Hitman to take care of the job. There you go. But the Hitman was a bit outside of their budget. Hm. Then the final plan was put into place. Straying would kill Elsie's husband himself with a $20 flintlock pistol. Then the gossip mill started would have a much different kind than what we have seen before both string and Elsie spread rumors. Elsie's husband had run into some unsavory characters and they wanted to kill her husband. Oh, at least they were a little bit smart about this string added on and said that he had seen strange men around cherry hill shrinks, formulated the plan to shoot Elsie's husband through the window. 

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00:50:45

On May 7th, 1827 string took off his boots and his outer jacket and climbed onto the shed. Beside cheery hill. He hit in the shadows of the house, watching the room. Elsie's husband was talking to someone in the room and he backed up to lean on the window. Strain took this his chance and fired a shot, which hit his opponent under his left arm, Strang ran and hit the rifle. He quickly picked up his jacket and put his boots back on and went to the house to of course, act shocked that Elsie's husband had been shot and killed. No one suspected string. In fact, he was sworn in as a member of the coroner's inquest. 

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00:51:26

Once the coroner arrived at the house string talked about quote, the men. He had seen lurking around the house, but his excitement and over-exaggeration of the events led everyone to look at him for the murder. A man, he played it too hard. He was arrested the following afternoon and a fortnight two weeks later, two weeks Elsie was arrested as the video game. So two weeks later, Elsie was arrested as well, originally string confessed to the murder and told the prosecutors in his case that he hid the rifle and exactly where to find it. And that he was the one who shot Elsie's husband through the window. 

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00:52:07

He thought that if Elsie was convicted, her family would likely get her pardoned. And he hoped he would be included in that party. Oh, the one his lawyer made him aware. That was not the situation at hand Strang withdrew his confession to late the trial started. And there were so many people in attendance that the trial had to be moved. The streets were still covered with onlookers, seeing how the trial would go. It was kind of like seeing the OJ trial, like for just waiting. I remember when there were like 16 people in that house. Oh yeah. Well, those people were witnesses for the prosecution and they were very quick to tell the court that string was one of the ones who spread the rumor that Elsie's husband had enemies after him. 

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00:52:58

Even the shop owners who sold string, the rifle testified, oh dear, I can get for him. They also testified that Elsie bought arsenic. Then the bonus witnesses were brought in the onus, the local hotel keepers who saw Strang and Elsie together on multiple occasions. No, it took the jury a whole 15 minutes and suppressed it that long before declaring strain guilty of the murder of Elsie's husband, John Whipple Elsie's trial was next. And it kind of went along the same lines as strain split. 

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00:53:39

There was a bit of a hiccup when the prosecution tried calling strain as a witness because he was convicted and not sentenced. The jury did not allow string to be called for testimony. The judge decided to not allow string to testify at all in the case, the jury didn't even deliberate in Elsie's case. And they acquitted her of all charges. August 24th, 1827, around 40,000 people showed up to see Jesse Strang hanged for the murder of John Whipple, 40,000 people. 

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00:54:25

There were people in the crowd selling pamphlets titled the confession of Jesse Strang made to see pepper Esquire straying held the pamphlet in his hand while on the scaffold, before he was hanged string said, quote, this contains a full confession of the great tea, great transaction for which I am about to die. And every single word that it contains to the best of my knowledge is true. If there is a single word in it, that is not true. It has been inserted by mistake and not by design a bit of a trigger warning here. This hanging is a bit brutal. 

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00:55:06

So skip forward about 10 seconds. If you don't want to hear about it, strings hanging was botched in the fall. Did not break his neck. Do we think this was accident? Yes, it was accident. Okay. He swung for half an hour struggling before finally suffocating strings was the last public hanging in Albany history. Elsie went on to marry a man named Nathaniel Freeman and she died only a few years later in 1832 cherry hill is still able to be seen today. 

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00:55:49

It is open to the public and there is some claim that the house is in fact haunted by an unknown specter. It's a big debate in the area as to whether Jesse string or John Whipple are the ones haunting the area allegedly, but no one really knows. And that's the murder at cherry hill. That's just sad. Yeah. It's yeah. And she didn't get punished at all. I mean, no, she, she did not do the deed herself, but she was in on it. I mean, and she's the one that was in on the buying the poison, Leah, Leah, she is nothing but a silly woman. 

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00:56:38

Well, and she was of a different class as well, which don't get me started on that. She's just a silly woman. She was just doing what a man told her to do. Do you not understand this? And then she couldn't, she couldn't possibly possibly be smart enough. Mm mm mm. So yeah, that was, that was my interesting case for the week of how everyone is connected to one another. That is kind of crazy, which when I told my boyfriend, I said, oh my gosh, like they really wanted to keep it in the family. And he goes, and people want to say the southerners, try and do that. 

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00:57:19

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00:58:37

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