Jan. 24, 2022

1834: Madame LaLaurie - Deuxième Partie: The Dark Secret

1834: Madame LaLaurie - Deuxième Partie: The Dark Secret

Are there people who walk among us with a dark secret? A secret so shocking that it's not even thought possible? Does sadism have a face? Yes... there are many. But, this one is Madame Delphine Marie LaLaurie.

This is a rough one guys. This week the ONUC gals discuss Madame LaLaurie and the fire at 1140 Royal Street. They dive into the Mina Conspiracy, the Pointe Coupee Conspiracy, and the German Coast Uprising. Leah leaves us for a bit as Kayla tells you all about the 'top room' at the LaLaurie Mansion. When Leah returns, they talk about the aftermath and how Nicholas Cage (?!?!) is somehow a part of this case.

Trigger Warning Level: HIGH!
Leah Leaves Us at 26:30
Leah Rejoins the Party at 37:19

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Transcript

Hi guys, Kayla here from the editing studio, AKA my eating kitchen. And I am here to let you know that the very first Patrion exclusive USBs episode has come out. And if you're one of the cool kids, you've already heard it and you know how amazing it is as well. So I'm just here to go ahead and let you know, you can also have access to it as well. Any level of Patrion support has access to the patriotic exclusive USBs episodes. So head on over to patrion.com/one nation under crime, let's get to the show. You are listening to one nation under crime, a historical chronological, true crime podcast. 

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Each week we go through our nation's history and discuss one case from each year starting in 1800. I'm Kayla and I'm Leah, except this week we're stuck. We're on a part two. Yeah. So if y'all listen to last week, congratulations, you made it through an hour and 40 minutes of us. I mean, we were delightful. So of course she saw, I mean, I'm glad you all enjoyed it, glad you all enjoyed it and wouldn't enjoy that. So this week we are going to actually get into the case. I'm gonna go ahead and put a content warning here. 

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Leah is not going to be with us for the entirety of this episode. She me. Yes. For good reason, the folks will appreciate it. It's not Disney approved. No. I mean like even there were a couple of things that I saw that I was like, I can't say that out loud, that that's bad. It's bad. So if you remember our harp episode format and you're going to know how this is exactly going to go, she'll be here at the beginning and at the end and in the middle, it'll just be me and you guys for a few minutes. It's not a big section. 

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I'll let you know, of course, before I start it. And when it ends and there will be timestamps in the show notes for anybody who doesn't know what show notes are know, sometimes I say show notes, but if you scroll up, if you're looking at your podcast screen, you see, you know, our cover art and everything. And if you scroll up, there are show notes down there at the bottom. That's where all of our sources go. I link all of our sources each week. That's kind of where everything is. And that's also going to be where your timestamp is for this episode. So pay attention. I am warning you. 

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If you are not aware of Madame Laurie, and you are not aware of what occurred in, they call it the top room, the top room in the, in the mansion. Some people refer to it as the attic. If you are not aware, I am warning you it's worse than you think. So. I've heard the story multiple times. I also watched American horror story, the season three, which was coven and it's American horror stories, pretty pretty out there. 

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And the lovely Kathy Bates was in it. And she played Madame Mallory. She was an amazing Madonna salary. She's amazing. And she does so good. So, but just, just to, for warning, you may think I'm good. The heart brothers wasn't that bad. Yeah, it wasn't, it's not as bad. The heart brothers is absolutely nothing compared to this. I'm just going to go ahead and say that now that Lee has made it through 36 episodes of this show, she could probably go back and listen to that section now. But she was too new at that point. We were, we were not going to do that to her. 

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So thank you. Yes. So in keeping with our episode titles, you will notice that this week we are in episode 37 and it is dozy M part da, which is part two, Madame <em></em> and I'm titling this one, the dark secret. Oh mom, there's a pretty good bet that you will get ahead of time before Leah cuts out. There's a pretty good bit about her, about, about a bunch of different things. And then really the, the worst part that I'm cutting out is the worst part. 

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Hmm. So just to kind of let you tell, to make a wallet out of 

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Human skin, because I've survived that 

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I'm just 

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Saying that was, 

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That was pretty bad. That's pretty bad. That's pretty bad. Hmm. Let me put it this way. If you appreciate. I don't appreciate that. Living people, having living people keep this in mind, having their insides on the insides, if you like that, and you don't want to hear about that, the reverse of it, 

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You know, it's kinda like I tell my doctor, you know, I don't mind getting shots. You know, that's putting medicine on the inside is when you want to take my blood because God put that on the inside. And I thought you'll like, if God put on the inside, it should stay on the inside 

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Sale. I'm gonna have a problem. It's it's pretty bad. Yeah. It's pretty bad. So just to let you know, I mean, if you want to have your blood taken, that's fine, but it's when it's my blood being taken the day, you don't pay, trust me, you ain't okay with this. I'll let, I'll let your husband listen. And then he can determine whether he'll allow you to listen. If you all don't know, Leah's husband listens every week to our episodes. So he knows exactly everything that we discuss and I'll let him be the, the judge of that. So I won't be the one in trouble and I don't spoil it for you. You have nightmares like listens. So April 10th, 1834, a fire at the lottery mansion in new Orleans, Louisiana uncovered the dark secret, held onto by a Madame Marie Delphine <em></em> and add it full of torment and torture that still haunts the ground. 

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It sits on today. Yes. Marie Delphine McCarty for she was a Lawler. She was a McCarty. She was born in new Orleans. And at that time it was Spanish Louisiana on March 19th, 1787. She was one of five children, still too many. She's a Pisces, which I'm a cancer. So I, I can, I can say things about Pisces. Pisces are interesting. They're interesting people. I'm saying that if you are a Pisces, you do not want to associate with this one. 

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Not at all. You may be a fish, but this is not one fish that you want to swim with. Her father was Louie Bartella me. McCarty backs Sunday. Yes. He immigrated from Ireland to the U S in 1730 during the French colonial period. Her mother Marie Jean. Yeah. Interesting. It's it's like one name Marie-Jeanne she was a French woman and the family lived in the white Creole community in new Orleans. So the family name was shortened to McCarty. It was McCarthy before they got to the United States and her mother was also known as the widow Lecan because her marriage to Louie McCarthy was her second. 

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So she was widowed before not uncommon. Let's see. Delphine's father originally immigrated to Spanish, Louisiana from Ireland, like I said, around 1730 in the French colonial period, both of her parents were pretty influential in the European Creole community. Her uncle Esteban Rodriguez Miro was governor of the Spanish American provinces of Louisiana and Florida from 17 five to 1791. And her cousin, Augustine McCarty was the mayor of new Orleans from 1815 to 1820, pretty influential, pretty influential while Dauphine was in the upper echelons of society in new Orleans. 

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I just liked the word echelon. So I had to put it in there. It didn't escape. True. It didn't prevent her from seeing the disruption that was all around her when she was only four, the Haitian revolution erupted in 1791. And it sparked fear in slave holders in the Southern United States. And in the, I don't know, some people say Caribbean, some people say Caribbean, I'll probably say it both ways. And they were worried that if their slaves knew of the Haitian rebellion, then it was obviously going to come here. Rebellion was going to start to do the same, right? 

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How dare they and these fears, right. Be treated like a human. These fears were not unfounded. Well, I mean, it is. Yeah. Delphine's uncle was murdered in 1771 by his own slaves. And this, this, the mayor let's see no different. Her cousin was the mayor. I'm sorry. Her uncle was the one that was the governor of the province. So was this the governor that was workers? I'm sorry. So he was murdered in 1771 by his own slaves. And the revolution has inspired, had inspired the local Mina conspiracy in 1791, the point copay conspiracy in 1794 and the 1881 German coast uprising. 

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All of these caused slave holders to discipline their slaves, even more harshly due to the fear of rebellion, the Mina conspiracy involved the MENA community. I hope I'm saying Mina, right? It's M I N a it's either Mina or minor, but I'm not sure. So no disrespect at all to anyone. If, if anyone is a part of that community, but they were a very well-organized black community in Louisiana who shared a common language. They're originally from the bay of Benin, which is an area of the Gulf of Guinea on the Western African coast. It was said that the Mina conspiracy heavily influenced the point co-pay conspiracy of 1795. 

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00:11:31

And the media conspiracy can really be boiled down to a very intelligent community of people speaking their own language that surprisingly slaveholders encouraged them to use their native language. You would think they would want to nip that in the bud so that they couldn't exactly. So that's why it's kinda called the Mina conspiracy, because not necessarily everyone involved, we're a part of that community, but everyone was speaking that language. So anyways, it, yeah, either way they planned a revolt. Surprisingly, like I said, I find it a little odd that they were in, they were told to use their native language, but in a lot of times there were a lot of times slave owners would, I don't know how to say, like, not hire, not like promote, promote isn't the word, but you know what I mean? 

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Like they would get people who were their quote, trusted slaves to watch after the other ones. So I don't know if that might be a possibility, we a definite separation. Yeah. So, so I don't know. I can see that, but yeah, it's, it's very, it's very odd when the point coop pay was part, oh Nope. 1.2 pay was part of new Spain, the Spanish suppressed, the Mina conspiracy near new roads, Louisiana on May 4th of 17, 95, 57 slaves and three local white men were put on trial and point copay after an attempted slave insurrection at the plantation of Julian de LA land Poydras. 

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If anybody knows Poydras, there's, Poitras's kind of a big thing in Louisiana. Planers discovered, dear gracious, these names, it's the name of a book and it's called it looks like it's theory de impo not sure. Anyways, it was a book which included the declaration of the rights of man and the citizens in 1789. And they found that in one cabin, the planners did when they were looking after this rebellion, insurrection had kind of started. 

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So they found this, this book, the trial ended with 23 slaves being hanged and sorry, guys, they're decapitated heads posted along the road. And 31 slaves were sentenced to flogging and hard labor. All three white men were deported with two sentenced to six years, forced labor in Havana, Cuba. Thanks. Yeah. And I think I said 1881 earlier. It's 1811. Anyways, the 1811 German coast uprising was a slave revolt that occurred in parts of the territory of Orleans between January 8th and 10th in 1811. 

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I did mention this back in our episode on 1811 as an event. So I'm kinda glad we were able to circle back to it because it is very important even still today. Well, yeah, the revolt took place on the east bank of the Mississippi river. And what is now the St. John, the Baptist St. Charles and Jefferson parishes in Louisiana. So three separate parishes were included. The insurgency was the largest in us history. Wow. The rebels, which I do not love this term, but that's how a lot of people described. The group killed two white men. 

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And on the other side, the slave holders and the people, you know, trying to like calm down the rebellion, they killed 95. Whew. The number isn't quite known, 95 is kind of the number that a lot of people go with. But as far as the next between 65 and 125 enslaved men marched from a sugarcane plantation near present day, Laplas on the German coast, toward the city of new Orleans men joined them as they passed by. And once they reached their destination, some say almost 500 enslaved people were participating during the two day 20 mile March. 

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The men burned five plantations, three of them to the ground. Wow. Several sugar houses and crops along the way. White men led by officials of the territory formed militia companies. And in a battle on January 10th, they killed 40 to 45 of the escaped slaves while suffering no fatalities themselves. Absolutely none. Then they hunted down and killed several others without a trial over the next two weeks. White planters and officials interrogated tried executed and decapitated an additional 44 escaped slaves who had been captured executions at this time were by hanging or firing squad heads were displayed on Pikes to intimidate the other slaves. 

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Yeah. Since 1990 barbaric. Yes. Since 1995, the African-American history Alliance of Louisiana has led an annual commemoration in January of each year of the uprising in which they have been joined by some of the descendants of the participants in that hall, which I found just fascinating. That is so, and that was actually, we're recording this on the 20th. So that was actually just a few days ago. There was wow for Sri for it. So that's pretty cool. It's it's crazy. So in the middle of all of this sat, Delfin watching everything around her and by 1800 when she was 13, how old was she? 

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13. How old was she? You said 13. Okay. I'm just making sure she was married off to Don Ramon de Lopez. Ian. Yeah. I that's why I wanted, I wanted to make sure everyone was real clear that that 13 was the number. Oh my goodness. He was a high ranking Spanish Royal officer at the time. Was he? How old was he? I couldn't find an exact 31. He was older than her. He was a ranking officer. I mean, you had to be, you know, you weren't, you weren't 18. 

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Oh yeah. At this time gross Louie Sianna. It's not spelled the same as Louisiana that we know today. It was Louie Sianna was a Spanish colony after the French defeat in the seven years war, the two were married at the cathedral Basilica of St. Louis King of France. Now known as the St. Louis cathedral, if you were thinking, is that the gorgeous thedral located right behind Jackson square that you mentioned in the last episode? Yes. That one. I mean, it was pretty placed to get married maybe, maybe a couple years premature. True. 

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Delphine's marriage to Dawn made her one of the most powerful women in the territory of Orleans because her husband was appointed consul general for Spain shortly after their marriage was 13. I'm sorry. She was not a woman yet. I'm sorry. She's a girl. I'm sorry, but in 1804. So just four years later, Don was called back to Spain. And while in route to Madrid with Delphine who was then pregnant, oh, Don Ramon mysteriously died and Havana, several accounts mentioned different reasons for his visit to Spain. Some historians claim that he was called back to Spain as a promotion and a prominent position in the Spanish court was waiting for him. 

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Some say that it was a military punishment because Don was being barred from his territory in new Orleans. If few days after his death Delphine gave birth to his daughter, Marie Borgia, Delphino Lopez, Ian Gullo de look handle aria. Whoa, that, that is alphabet soup right there. She, her nickname was . That's kind of fun. So the newly woulda Adelphian and her daughter returned to new Orleans alone for the next four years. Madame Mallory lived comfortably in her mansion. Pre-launch blurry and in 1808, just four years after the death of her first husband, she got married for the second time because she's 21 at this time. 

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So, I mean, this would be eight years. Yeah. Eight years later. So yeah, inappropriate age to get married this time she married John block. You'll notice it's not lottery. Right? He was also one of the richest men in the region and was a well-settled merchant banker and lawyer after the marriage, John brought a, bought a house on Royal street and the couple gave birth to four children, too many. And she gave birth a couple didn't give birth. Their names were over here. Jean Pierre Pauline, all of their last names were blocked. 

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00:21:29

So I didn't leave. I didn't put their last names because they're all sick. So there's Jean Pierre, Pauline Louise, Marie LAR Marie Louise, Jean and Marie Louise Pauline. Oh. So they just like, just swap the names around and it's a naked put, put the names in a hat and it's order this one. It's not confusing at all. But the second marriage did not last very long either. And John passed away in 18, 16, just eight years after their marriage. One of Delphine's daughters from her second marriage was deformed at birth with some issues with her spinal cord. 

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00:22:14

I couldn't exactly find exactly what it was, but that was what it came down to. The treatment led her to a doctor. You will not like his first name Leonard. That's my puppy's name. Leonard Louis, Nicholas, Laurie <em></em> who tried all sorts of methods to treat the young girl, but he was not successful. But in the process, he became attracted to the widowed Madame and vice versa, right before he proposed the marriage to Delphine, he was all set to return back to France, but his brother persuaded him to stay on June 25th, 1825 Delphine married her third husband, physician Leonard, Lawler, Marie, who was much younger than her. 

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Although I could not find an exact age on him. Well, I mean, she was the very, very much younger one in her first marriage. So I mean, you know, yeah. You know, it's and I will say my, my Leonard is pretty neurotic. So I mean, you know, just wait, I'm just saying in 1831, she bought the property at 1140 Royal street, which she managed in her own name with a little involvement of her husband in 1832 had a two story mansion built there, complete with attached slave quarters. She lived there with her third husband and two of her daughters and maintained a central position in new Orleans society. 

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00:23:58

The marriage, the marriage soon showed signs of strain. However, on November 16th, 1832 Delphine petitioned to the first judicial district court phrase separation from the bed and board of her husband in which Delphin claimed that her husband had quote, treated her in such a manner as to render their living together. Unsupportable claims, which her son and two of her daughters confirmed the separation might not have been permanent as Dr. 

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Lori will find himself back in this case. So we will see him again. Most of the city was shocked at how polite Madame Mallory was to her slaves. Right. So weird that she would be polite. I mean, because she was better than everybody else. She was in the upper crest, so she didn't have to be right. However, Delphina apparently went insane after the failure of her third marriage, like I said, she owned several slaves who helped her after the departure of Dr. <em></em> from the home. 

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00:25:18

And she showed a lot of kindness to them. And even in public, she showed a lot of kindness to them. And it was curious, considering one of the youngest slaves at the mansion named Delaya ran off the roof of the mansion to avoid a beating from Madame, Laurie. No, she died almost instantly when she hit the ground. It said that her body was mangled. Would you like to guess why she was running off the roof? 

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00:26:01

What she did. I'll just tell you she was brushing Madame Laurie's hair. And she had a tangle crazy, right? Oh, I mean, I was trying to think of something trivial. I mean yep. But surely this had to be a mistake, right? I mean, because she was so kind, she was so nice. The incident involving Leah ultimately led to authorities, impounding a whole of Madame Laurie's slaves. So dear, if only that were the end of the story and pounding. Yeah. Right. Because property, yeah. They were auctioned off to the public. 

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00:26:42

Again, Madame lorry got a relative to purchase the slaves at the auction and later returned to them, to her. Since Leia's death rumors began to spread that the politeness exhibited in public may have been an act. The rumors turned out to be true. Oh no. And we're going to say bye to Leah for a bit. So we'll see in a bit Leah, and now it's just me and you guys, you're the brave souls. You're the ones that decided, you know what, even given all of Kayla's warnings, I'm, I'm staying, I'm staying and you know what? 

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00:27:25

Congratulations good for you. Again. You'll have more chances to get out, but you know, we're here now and you're with me, Lee is gone. It's just you and me. We're just having our own personal little conversation. I of course have my beverage of choice sitting here. I've already finished one of them. But if you would like to grab your beverage of choice, please go ahead. I've already finished. One of these, let's say the other one was, this is, this is not an ad. But if they wanted to sponsor me, they totally could. I did. It's like the bud light seltzer, sours. I already drank a watermelon one earlier and this one's blue raspberry. 

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00:28:08

So I'm pretty excited about it. If you haven't had these, they're apparently limited of time, which I don't think that they should be, but I suggest you grab your beverage of choice, coffee, tea, water, whether that's wine, whether that's liquor, whether that is a bud light sour seltzer. And wasn't that nice. It wasn't that nice. I know it just that, that sound all right. Now that I took a big sip. I think that I can forage forward and get through this with you guys. 

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00:28:51

So on the morning of April 10th, 1834, like I said before, a fire broke out at the mansion on Royal street and Madonna Mallory's secrets were about to be on full display. The fire started in the kitchen and once the fire marshals arrived and got to the kitchen, they found the elderly house cook chained to the stove. Like what, what chained to the stove? I, I can't, I can't imagine. It's also said that she was like in her seventies and I just can't so many different things, but it, it gets worse. 

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00:29:36

When she was asked about the fires. She admitted she started it and it was an attempt at suicide. What could be happening in this house that was so terrible that a woman would voluntarily die by fire just to get away from it. I mean, like you'll know that I'm the morbid one, but as far as ways to go, like fire has to be up at the top is like one of the worst. Like, I, I can't, I can't imagine the woman was questioned even more. And she said that Madame threatened to take her to the top room. 

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00:30:20

Anyone who went there and never came back down and the stories of what happened up, there were enough for this woman to set the building on fire with herself in it, of course, upon hearing this, the authorities headed to the room to investigate a decision that would haunt them for years to come. How bad could the room be going to take me to take another sip for, I start this cause who were on a ride guys. All right. Okay. I think I'm good now. Alright. Buckle up because this is a rough one. 

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00:31:00

Guys. The authorities opened the door to the top room and immediately were assaulted by the smell. Some immediately vomited just from that smell alone, there were dead bodies of several slaves in the room. And that wasn't even the worst part. This was a room where things occurred. That even the word torture doesn't actually explain what was going on again, guys, this is your last warning to skip ahead. If you've ever heard this story before then, you know what's coming, but if you've not the next part's going to be very, very difficult to process. 

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00:31:50

Again, this is your last warning you, you decided to stay. All right, here we go. The slaves found alive were quote, deadly then and clearly had not been fed in some time. This is the one that I alluded to earlier. One woman who was alive had her intestines wrapped around her. And the authorities said you could still see them working. The slaves had metal bars with spikes around their necks to prevent them from moving as well. 

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00:32:33

Others were put into small cages cages, so small that no one could fit into them, but the slaves were made to fit the cages. How so you ask their bones were broken so that they could fit. And it was clear that some had been in there for a while because their bones had started to try and heal and were fused in the contorted positions of the cage. It is said that one slave had their bones broken and reset in such a way to make them look like a crab. When they tried to stand and walk, this one's pretty bad too. 

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00:33:16

Guys. Another had skin peeled off in spirals giving the appearance of a caterpillar slaves. There also had their eyes gouged out, fingernails, ripped out mouth sewn shut and festering wounds from repeated beatings. One man was said to have a God, this is so disgusting. And this honestly, guys like to be totally honest with you. I, I cut a couple of things out that I honestly just couldn't read out loud and this one's pretty bad. One man was said to have a hole drilled into his head and go ahead, guys, just take a sip of that drink right now. 

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00:34:02

Maggots were crawling out of it. And yes, he was still alive. There's never been an exact number of slaves that entered the top room, but it's estimated to be well over a hundred people were beat on shocked. The discovery of Madame salary, wicked ways made it to a local newspaper, which recorded that witnesses had seen quote, seven slaves, more or less horribly mutilated suspended by the neck with their limbs, apparently stretched and torn from one extremity to the other. 

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00:34:45

It's like some medieval torture stuff that they, that like you've seen them come up with where they like put, you know, each limb or like what's drawn and quartered where like they put a horse and like timed each end and then make the horses run. Like that's what that reminds me of it's the pleasant beautiful. And seemingly kind woman was a sadistic murderer. Not only that a serial killer people had never witnessed slaves being treated so horribly. This says a little hot, given that during this time, it was perfectly fine to treat your slaves badly. Some say that Dr. 

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00:35:25

Laurie, who some suspect was actually experimenting with Haitian voodoo potions to create more docile servants. If you know the story of, oh my gosh, what is his name? Some people are screaming at me. Dahmer. Was it Dahmer? I believe it was Dahmer who like, sorry, Juul holes in the S in the schools of his victims and like poured acid into try and turn them into zombies. That's what this kind of reminds me of. And if y'all didn't know that, and if I got the serial killer wrong one, sorry. I told you that too. Sorry. I got it wrong anyways. 

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00:36:06

So yes, it said that he was like experimenting with them to create more docile servants. So like, I dunno like the equivalent of giving them Xanax or I don't know either way. It said that he turned away help from the fire as he was the one mutilating, the lottery slaves in cruel half medical experiments either way at the time. Madame Lawler, Marie was the one residing at the home, as we said before. And she had crossed the line and the entire community agreed on this. 

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00:36:51

So that's, that's the worst of it guys. Again, you were warned. I told you, I'm sorry. That's all I can say. Hope it wasn't now you'll know Nial. Now I apologize. Now we're going to get back with Aaliyah and finish out the story. The infamous house still stands on the corner of Royal street, but what happened next is still partially unknown. The extremely cruel treatment of the slaves in and lottery house was illegal and warranted criminal sanctions. 

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00:37:35

More importantly, the new Orleans community was out raged by what they heard and the cruel nature of what was found. This led to many, wanting to serve justice for themselves. Mobs of over 4,000 people came and destroyed the mansion, all of its property, everything, and they uncovered numerous graves on the property. One of them being laces. Yeah. Now I'm curious to know what I missed and the graves belonged to, of course, the slaves that had been murdered by Madame Laurie, it's also said, and for those of you who did kind of skip over, it's also said that some of this might, the doctor was there. 

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00:38:32

Dr. Laurie was there the day of the fire that it broke out. And it is said one that he tried to turn away, help for the fire. And to given that he is a doctor, there is a lot of speculation that maybe he was to blame for what was going on in the top room for medical experimentation. I wondered when you said he was a doctor, and yet you kind of, I don't know what happened. Cause obviously I'd be glad to hear all the things, but I wondered if that may have been like, yep. 

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00:39:13

After the dust settled, the lotteries couldn't be found, oh, the woman. And it's either said her driver or her husband, multiple stories said different things. I couldn't really get a strong answer, went missing. And everyone assumed that they took a boat to mobile Alabama and then fled to Paris. I was going to say, oh great, right. They're there they're among us. However, there was no word of her ever making it to Paris. Her daughter claimed to have received letters from her, but no one had ever seen the letters. One rumor is that she died during a boar hunting accident. But others say that Madame lawyery actually returned to new Orleans under a different name. 

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00:39:59

And it is thought that she spent off the rest of her days in France or new Orleans. Most people think France, but an epitaph plate declaring her death was found in new Orleans in 1873, Eugene Bax who served as the Sexton. I just kind of liked the word that was fancy. That's a grave Digger or what, who they graveyard shift. You know, the bells you'll know he was the grave Digger at St. Louis cemetery. Number one, the famous one. And he discovered an old cracked copper plate in alley, four of the cemetery. 

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The inscription read in French, but I'm not reading it in French. Madame Lawler, Marie born Marie Delphine, McCarthy died in Paris, December 7th, 1842 at the age of 55. However, the fringe archives say that she died in 1849 when she was 62. Hmm. But no one knows if that's her or not. Right? So it's a mystery. It's very, it is the lottery mansion still sits at 1140 Royal street today. And it is the most popular spot on new Orleans ghost tours today. 

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It is widely considered the most haunted house in the French quarter for almost 200 years. Many have reported paranormal activity coming from this house. Of course. And majority of the claims are that the spirits of the slaves, there are the ones who still wander the halls. There is a room in the lottery mansion where the slaves are often kept. Like we said before, called the top room and reports of moaning coming from that room are common and Phantom footsteps echo throughout the house. Many people who have stood near the house. This is just crazy to me. Many people who have stood near the house have reported feeling as if they were taken over by negative energy. 

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In the 1890s, the mansion was turned into tenement housing. And in 18 94, 1 of the tenants was murdered in his room. When he was found, it appeared that someone had ransacked the room and that he was likely a victim of robbery, but nothing of value was missing. We've said it once. If we said it, once we said it twice, don't just make it look like. I mean, I'm just setting up an odd account regarding his murder deals with the police, interviewing neighbors about it. One of his neighbors claimed that he was having problems with Sprite. I don't know, in his apartment. 

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Yeah. Everyone thought he was going mad, but the neighbor did say something interesting. He claimed that his neighbor told him that there was a Damon. Yep. Is that a country way of saying, they say that on that they say that on morbid, because Elena says, she's not going to say a demon in her house. So she could, they call it a diamond. I mean, whatever. So yeah, he claimed that his neighbor told him that there was a demon in the house who wasn't going to rest until he had met his end, which the man did in that house. 

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Is it possible that at least some of the ghostly phenomena can be a result of this brutal murder, certainly as possible. However, nobody will know for sure until a real paranormal investigation team can investigate this entire location. At another point in the mansion's history and all girls school occupied the building, the school was one of its kind because both black and white girls specifically studied together. That is because people are garbage until the reconstruction era. When the school had to be changed to a school for only black girls. 

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This is when things got really bad reports of physical attacks were quickly reported. The young girls would tell their teachers that they were attacked and they would show scratch marks and bruises on their forearms. When asked, who could have done this. The answer was always that woman, these girls were all between the ages of six and eight. And it's highly unlikely that the teachers would have told them about Madame Lorrie and the fire that happened decades earlier. One can only think that once the white girls were out of the school, Madame <em></em> saw it as her opportunity to continue to torment those who she equated to her slaves that she tortured all those years ago. 

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Now we all know that I like some people call it the woo stuff, the craziest, how long loose and had I believe. But I understand the not everyone believes in psychics or mediums. I get it. But thinking being on a ghost tour one night, one of the tourists happened to be a medium. For anyone not aware, there is a difference between a psychic and a medium. A medium is someone who can look across the veil and speak to people who have passed on wireless. Psychic is more described as someone with the ability to give information about the past present and even future, but they cannot deliver messages to the other side. 

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A lot of times psychics are lumped in with profits. It's a whole thing. There's a whole underground world. I don't have time to get into it right now. If y'all want it as a separate podcast, let me know. Cause I'll totally do it. You know, I love it. Love, love all the fun stuff, but there are also psychic mediums and they are kind of the best of both worlds. As most people would say on the night of the tour, the medium had synced certain things about several locations throughout the tour, before the guide ever told her, according to ghost city tours, this is what happened next quote, within the first side of the luxury mansion, the medium sucked in a deep breath, such sadness. 

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She whispered as she rocked back onto her heels, pulling out her phone, she proceeded to snap a picture of the mansion, the brick up window. She went on. That's not where the little girl fell out of the tour guide paused simply because she hadn't gotten to the part of the story about the little girl at all. Nevertheless, she recovered quickly and said, no, you're right. The story goes that layup fell into the courtyard. As for the bricks up window. I suspect that someone did some interior decorating, but wanted to maintain the symmetry on the outside of the home as well. In the next few minutes, the medium experience such a heavy emotion like the weight had settled upon her shoulders. 

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She, since the spirit of a young boy who liked to pay, play pranks on the living and the spirit of a little girl who was often nervous, did she feel any of the helplessness or anger? The tour guide asked no was their response. Whatever happened then with Valerie does not visit this house any longer. People are all drawn in by the macabre and mystery of places like the lottery mansion. I, as a fright, now you are listening to a true crime podcast, either way. It might surprise some. 

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The Lowery mansion has been bought over the years and changed hands. One person, you might not know that owned it. Nicolas cage in April, 2007, he bought the house for 3.4, $5 million to protect his privacy. The mortgage documents were drawn up in a way that his name never appeared on them. In one interview and the advocate, he said, quote, new Orleans is not like anywhere else in the world. There is a confluence of cultures, spirituality, cuisine, and you know that it's just its own special place. He told the New York daily news in 2009, quote, I am a child of California and I would go to Disneyland quite a bit. 

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I consider myself something of a son of Walter and those memories had an impact on me. One of my greatest memories would be the haunted mansion at Anaheim in new Orleans square, no less. So for me to have the actual thing was the childhood fantasy come true. I love it. However, coincidentally, 2009 is the same year. The home was taken away from cage due to foreclosure. Wow. Wow. The internal revenue service, we got to love them. Also known as the IRS slapped cage with a $6.2 million tax lien causing the actor to lose several properties under his name. 

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There is also a rumor that goes around that he only spent one night in the house and all of the time that he owned it because he was afraid of ghosts. He actually bought the house to write a novel in it. Like he wanted to write a horror novel like Stephen King style in the house. Oh, he only stayed in at one night. Supposedly I had visited Stephen King's house. I have, he's a very interesting character. I haven't been inside the gates, but I've driven past it and been outside again. But there is still something in new Orleans that Nicholas cage owns. I know what it is. Fun fact. 

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One thing the government cannot take from you is your final resting place. I did not know that, but make sense. Cage built himself funny cage built himself, his own tomb, getting cage in new Orleans before the foreclosures and bankruptcy took place. The tomb is located in St. Louis cemetery. Number one, same one that Madame Lawler is supposedly in and it is unlike anything anyone has ever seen. It's pretty fantastic. It is a nine foot stone pyramid with the words Amina, AB UNO, everything from one on the front, as for why cage prematurely built his tomb. 

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He has never officially said some of his fans, which I love this. Some of his fans believe the pyramid is an homage to the national treasure franchise. I love it. Others think it's proof that Nicholas cage is a member of the Illuminati today. The lottery mansion is owned by an energy trader named Michael Whalen who bought the house in 2010. He moved in in 2013. He spent the three years renovating the entire house. He purchased the 10,300 square foot property for the bargaining price of $2.1 million. 

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And it had appraised for 3.5, 5 million at the time of his purchase. Since it is now private property, of course, no one can go in without permission from the owner. It said that the present owner, Michael Whalen is very strict on maintaining the privacy of his estate. Yeah. I've also heard I did a ghost tour in new Orleans and did see this house. And our tour guide did say he's like borderline rude about it. And she said that at one, that one time he actually cause it's a big balcony on the second level, it's kind of three floors. 

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It's gorgeous. If you've never seen it, there'll be pictures on our Instagram to go see. And so all the doors, you know, like they have this big, long windows like that, you open up kind of like a French door. And he, one night he was having a party of some sort there. He took all of the speakers and pointed them out of the windows so that the tour guides couldn't do their tours because the music was so loud. They couldn't hear them talking, but they don't go on his side. And they're very respectful about it. They stay on the opposite side of the street, but you bought the law salary mansion. 

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I'm sorry, like it comes with it. Yeah. It's a famous landmark and you can look up photos from where he redid the inside. Nicholas cage gotta love him, went in and turned everything crushed red velvet when he got it, who would have thought? I just imagine like one of those really bad hotel rooms that had like red carpet on the floor with like a heart shaped bed. And like there was also carpet in the bathroom. For some reason, I always kind of imagined that like take that aesthetic. And that's what Nicholas cage did to it. But in 2007, either way, it took three years for the new owner to undo what he did blessed during the film production of American horror story coven season three and the best season can't change my mind. 

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It came out in 2013, which was the year that he moved into the house. It said that he doesn't live there. He's just, he's from Texas. And he comes back. He visits back and forth. I don't know, must be nice to have a 2.5, $5 million vacation home. Now it's probably way more. It must be nice to have a vacation home. I mean seriously. So American horror story coven was came out in 2013 and the crew was not allowed to do any filming inside the property. This is bizarre. Considering Kathy Bates was playing the character of Delphine Laurie and the franchise. There are external shots in the show, but anything filmed in doors was actually filmed at another mansion nearby in a shocking twist. 

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In 2020, it was announced that a film franchise would be produced based on the infamous mansion. It is to be called the lottery mansion, super unique name. And several parts of the film will be shot on sight. I mean, it grabs your attention. The name does yup. Which will give viewers a firsthand view of the property that has been closed to the public for almost a hundred years. Well, and that's PR that could be why they wouldn't let them film because they knew this was in the works. 

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No, this the film idea. So that, that came out in 2020 that they approved it. It hasn't started filming. It's not filming yet. 2013 was when the show came out, they were filming in 2012. Well, so it's yeah. It's anyways. So yes, after a hundred years, the inside of the house will be officially seen on film. You can look up photos of when this guy redid the house, like some architecture magazine came in and took his is gorgeous. He did a wonderful job. The building looks beautiful. I mean, it's an ancient, but that is the story of Madame Marie Delphine. 

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