Feb. 14, 2022

1837: Elijah Parish Lovejoy

1837: Elijah Parish Lovejoy

It's another story that shouldn't be lost to history and on the day of love it's only fitting we cover a man named Lovejoy.

Join the ONUC gals this week as they discuss the murder of Elijah Parish Lovejoy. They will discuss Elijah's life and death as well as have a long discussion regarding the importance of covering cases that shouldn't be lost to history.

Trigger Warning Level: Low

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Sources: Britannica and The First Amendment Encyclopedia 

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That's so fun though. But the other milestone that we have achieved this week, what is that? We hit 6,000 downloads. Yes. That was such an exciting text that got, I was excited. I cannot believe it. It's very exciting guys. Like, I don't think y'all realize what a big deal that is. And so for some people who do not have PA you know, like our side, well, my side of the, well, like the statistics and like all of that stuff, guys, like most podcasts would like, they don't even make it to episode 20. 

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Like they stop making a podcast and then yeah. They don't even make it to episode 10 of know this stuff either. And then there's only a certain percentage that make it to like over 5,000 downloads. Yes. And so we have not only like reach 6,000 downloads, which guys that's so crazy is that there's we are, we have 6,000 downloads now we're over that. At this point, we have been listened to in 35 countries. Wow. 

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Oh, but Antarctica. So somebody moved to Antarctica and download our podcasts. That would be so great. We have listeners in New Zealand. We have listeners in Australia. We have listeners in Japan, in South Africa and the Sudan. Like we have some listeners and guys don't think that I don't see you because we have some listeners that are in the UK that I see every week, download our podcast. So hello, introduce yourselves. I know you're listening because I see the download. So introduce yourself. Kayla sees all the stuff. We have a listener in Germany. That is a very like also with our other UK listener. We have, so we have one that's in London that listens constantly. 

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We have one in Germany that does, we have several in Canada, like Scotland. We have Scotland. We have one which like Scotland's Nessie is a fan of the podcast. It's no big deal. We're friends, we're friends, Nessie downloads every week. We know Nessie is a, she, she gives me feedback. It's a whole thing. And guys like one, this is episode 40. So this is, this is a big, a big number for us. We're deal. We're creeping up to the even bigger number. And I can't, I can't even think that far ahead. Cause that's a lot of research that have to do deep breath till we get to that point. 

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Deep breath. It's fine. But like we've almost been doing this a year to, for a celebration. I don't know. Oh, we need to dress. I don't fancy dress. So one of the, and that's why we drink one of the anniversaries that they had. They just honestly, and that's why we drink Christine Schieffer and M Schultz celebrated their five year wow anniversary. So congratulations. I don't know if y'all will ever listen to this, but I love you guys. Christine and M y'all are fantastic. And they just reached their five year. 

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So if you join that tier, you will also be the owner of that. And with that, She's looking at me and I don't know Why we got an episode to dig into this week. Oh, that's Why, that's why we're Here. That is why we're here. Last week's episode was quite funny. The V the ending of it, I guys, and I'm going to go ahead and let you know, I'm a go ahead and let you know right now, next week, the bipedal tail is beaver makes a return. I'm not even kidding you, this, this, and it. 

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And it truly ties into the story for the week. We have another wild story next week, but that, that does come into play. So I know y'all are looking forward to that as much as we are, but Look that got all over me. So funny anyways. So our sources for this week, we have Britannica, of course, encyclopedia Britannica. You remember when they used to go around and sell encyclopedias door to door encyclopedias? I don't know, But I do remember growing up, we did have the world book encyclopedia. Oh yeah. My, my grain needed to, I thought it was the coolest thing ever. 

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Anyway. She had the whole Light, the Whole set. These were expensive to you back then. I mean, book report, or do any kind of report, go get the encyclopedia out and look it up. Yes. I mean, I grew up without good. And then our other source for this week is the first amendment encyclopedia. So our events, we are in 1837 this week, our events let's get to those. We have January 26th, Michigan. Funny enough on the 26th, Michigan was admitted the 26 state. I wonder if they did that on purpose. I don't know if they did, but it would be love it. If they meant to do that, I would, to that limit me, that would make me happy. 

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Cause you know how I tell, so my daughter, guys y'all know my daughter is young. And so this does have, this does have meaning. So, you know, when my birthday is so the best way that I could tell my daughter, cause my daughter is like, I don't know how to remember my daughter's seven. And I said, she said, I don't want me. I don't know how to remember your birthday because her dad's birthday is really easy. It's eight, eight. So it's very like simple to remember. So she said, mommy, I don't know how to remember your birthday. And I said, well, it's six to six. And she goes, oh, and I go like experiment six to six, Lilo and stitch because ditch is experiment 16. 

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I didn't realize that. And so she goes, mommy, your stitch. I was like, girl, that would make a lot more sense. Honestly, my first car was a six to six. So there you go. So that's how, yeah. So she goes experiments six to six. I love it. I love your precious girl. She's she's hilarious. She is you guys, if you even knew anyways, we have story. Gosh, on February 8th, Richard Johnson became the only vice president chosen by the United States Senate, February 11th, the American, how that, because they couldn't choose at that point. 

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This is so keep in mind. This is Andrew Jackson's gone. They did elect a new president. I think there was a runoff. They couldn't figure out who was going to be the vice president at anyways. So this is the last vice president that was fully elected by the Senate. And only is that very interesting. I was curious February 11th, the American psychological society was organized in Boston. I just need to go to Boston. That's where I need to live. I've never been there. And I would really like to, it's really going to run into a new kid on the block or two that will, I mean, it's just the icing on the cake. I just like it for the adjacent to Salem. 

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So if anybody knows who the Dropkick Murphys are shipping out to Boston, that's what I always think. Anyways, February 13th, a riot in New York due to a combination of poverty and the increase in the cost and flour broke out. Hm, very large riot that occurred in New York. I have no words. They have like mills that they went and made their own flour. This was in New York city. So I'm not really sure as far as that goes, that that I'm not a hundred percent on for those of you who don't know, we are now 13 minutes into this episode, Lee and I have already taken one break and we stopped recording 30 minutes ago. 

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We've had all kinds of comments. This is a night mercy have not made it far. All right, we're going to push through. So February 25th, we just dealt. If you, if you do not recall, which I'm sure you don't Leah, we just dealt with the increase in the cost of flour. Yes. About if it's a city. That, yeah. Cause I didn't think about them being in the city because people did their own, but yeah. City folk, the night country folk, the next week, we deal with a state implementing prohibition. So that's the time that we're coming in. Anyways. It's dark time for the U S February 25th. 

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Thomas Davenport obtained the first us patent on an electric motor. Probably a good thing. Probably. Yeah. We use them a little bit. March 1st, Abraham Lincoln was admitted to the bar and he began practicing law. I know a little bit about him, maybe so heard of him before March 3rd, we have two events on this day. Okay. Congress increased the us Supreme court membership from seven to nine and currently Andrew Jackson was still president inauguration at this time had not happened because at this time the inauguration was in March. 

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It hadn't been pushed back. So can tell you something. What I saw the Supreme court building. I know isn't it fun. It was so exciting. I love DC even still. So president Andrew Jackson and Congress recognized the Republic of Texas Tay hos, as some would say, a very small group would say, but March 4th, we have three events. I know it's a big year guys. Martin van Buren was inaugurated as the eighth president of the United States. The weekly advocate changed its past me. 

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Okay. So for those of you who don't know, there are times where I refer to future me and passed me. Like I did not want to physically have children because I was always kind of like afraid of it. But then when I think I don't have kids, it's scary that anyways, you're not out of it yet. Anyways. I was always terrified of actually having children. So when I found out that I was going to have my daughter, I, that was future Kayla's problem. I'm not present Kayla's problem. Okay. Well past Kayla is real funny present. 

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Kayla is too, but I put the weekly advocate changed its name to in parentheses. I put yikes. The colored American. Oh really? Yikes. Like Y yeah. I, oh, there's some things like, wow, there that, yeah, that's all that I can say about that. And then Chicago was granted a city charter by Illinois. It was already an area, but it was officially granted a city, March 24th, Canada. 

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Yay. Canada gave black citizens the right to vote. Yay. Like this was them. This was very early. This was 18, very progressive 1837. So I did do the research for those who were wondering, and the voting rights act of 1965 is what officially made it to where you cannot be prejudice against who is actually voting. You cannot turn someone away for voting. And that was kind of like the voting rights act of 1965. Oddly enough, sorry. Mom. Same year on other was born. I thought was very weird, but that she may not have wanted you to share that. 

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Probably not. It's fine. The 15th amendment happened in 1870 and that was what extended the right to vote. But you could be turned away from voting. So the voting rights act of 1965 made it to where you cannot be turned away. So before this, you could try to vote, but your hair might not look good that day. And they could go no fam I don't like your hair or your skin color go home. Or you have feminine parts that I don't appreciate go home. 

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So anyways, so it's very, it's very interesting that in this year, Canada and I, again, guys, I know that this is Canada, but there are some things that are, that I find that are just too interesting to not put in is pretty interesting. So Canada gave good citizens the right to vote. Very interesting. I have good accents. Apparently I did an accent the other night and my boyfriend goes, oh, you're actually pretty good at that. And I was like, oh, okay, thanks. All right, cool. Everybody in the U S should know this name. 

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Okay. I'm ready. Leo will. But wait until I'm done, may six, us black Smith, John Deere DDA. That name created the first steel plow in grand detour, Illinois. And in the same year he began his agricultural manufacturing business. May 10th. The New York city bank failed an unemployment reached record levels. They hadn't met 2020 yet. Apparently the May 31st, the Astor hotel opened in New York city. 

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It later became the Waldorf Astoria. I've been there. Super famous hotel. June 5th, Houston, Texas was granted a city charter, June 11th. The broad street riot occurred in Boston, Massachusetts, which was fueled by ethnic tensions between the Irish and Yankees, June 17th, Charles Goodyear obtained the first rubber patent. I was going to ask if the tires or rubber or something, July 27th, one of the U S mints opened in Charlotte, North Carolina, July 31st. The groundbreaking ceremony took place for St. 

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Charles college in Louisiana, which was the first Jesuit college established in the south. And Jesuits are part of the Catholic church for those who don't know August 28th. I was interested in this one, pharmacists, keep out in mind, John Lee and William parents manufactured Worcestershire sauce. That's going to say, what are we? And parents, it is Wooster Shire. For those who don't know, I've heard some people mispronounced. <em></em> some people say Worchester. 

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Anyways, I saw a tick talk where multiple people were trying to say that word. And it's woosh because Wooster is a city. And so it's Wooster Shire like Worcestershire it's like some people say was to shear or was to shower. But anyways, so there were pharmacists, which I found that is interesting. A pharmacists August. When you said the news, I went, I know I saw the last names and I was like, oh, you see me look over a minute. 31st Ralph Waldo Emerson gave his famous the Americans scholars speech to five beta Kappa society at Harvard college. 

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And it declared American literary independence from Europe. Ooh, September 18th, another company that everyone knows. Well, Charles Lewis, Tiffany and John B. Young, co-founded a stationary and fancy goods emporiums in New York city. And it later was renamed in 1853 as Tiffany and company, October 9th. Again, we have two events this year. I don't understand crazy here, man. The Steamboat named home sank off Oak or Coke. 

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I did look up to say how you said that it is how it is spelled. It is quite the interesting place for Coke, New York. It killed a hundred people. Oh, that's sad. Very sad. And a meeting at the us Naval academy established the U S Naval Institute, October 31st Halloween. The collision of riverboats, Monmouth and TreMonte on the Mississippi river occurred 300 people died. Ooh, I bet that's a haunted part of that river. Anyways. I wonder how the squirrels felt. 

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I wonder, however, this is what I wonder in this lifetime were the 300 people who died. Did their souls match up with a squirrel who had also passed. Stop it. Look, look, look, that means you have a friend in the afterlife, Kayla as a squirrel. Stop it. Look, there's one in my attic right now. That is about to meet. It's not stop scurry. Maybe it's oh gosh. It's not that big. I do. I do know that it's not that big. It's a baby wreck because I've heard it crash around, honestly, anyways. It's. 

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If anybody wants to come to my house and come into my attic and try to find this thing or find it's now corpse, please let me know. I am in Alabama. That is all you need to know will not triangulate my location any further. I do have two cats and my boyfriend keeps saying, throw one of the cats up there, make them useful. Well, okay. All right. He goes, you have three animals. Cause I have flusher. Who's a terrier mix. He goes, you have three animals that are be any good at that. Exactly. I mean, I love Fletcher to death. That's August so sweet. He goes because you have three animals in this household that are literally bred to get varmints and you do not use any one of them to their capacity. 

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I was like, no, Hey, I'll bring upbringing Burnie. I mean, she could totally take care of it for you. Knox could, but he's gained a few lbs since the last time he thought something. I don't know. It may be good for him. So Bernie totally take it out. Bernie probably could. November eight, Mary Lyon, I believe it's L Y O N. So I'm gonna go in with mine. She founded Mount Holyoke, female seminary, which later became Mount Holyoke college. Nice. December 29th, the steam powered threshing machine was patented in Winthrop, Maine and an undated event for this year. 

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Undated undated, John Greenleaf, Whittier his first poetry book poems written during the progress of the abolition question in the United States. Super short title was published by Boston abolitionists. Wish he hadn't made it like a little piece of the book. Please test the whole cover births in 1837, we have January 19th, William. There's a reason that I'm laughing about this because of mine and Leah's line of work of deer. There is a person in this line of work that has part of this name and it cracks me up every time I see it, January 19th, William Williams, king was born. 

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We do have someone in our line of work. Whose name is William Williams. Nice, very interesting. But who, I mean, William Williams, could you not come up with whatever little original friends list? I mean, I hope he goes by something other than William, but anyways, he was an American physician and the first brain surgeon in the United States during his lifetime. This is what I found fascinating. Maybe I don't know, didn't say, but he was born in 1837 during his lifetime. He would work on six us presidents, which is a lot when you think about it is yeah, he was a Capricorn, March 7th. 

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We have Henry Draper. He was a physician and astronomer known as the pioneer of astrophotography. Interesting. March 18th Grover Cleveland was born. He is the 22nd and interestingly 24th skipped a year. President of the United States gets a term. You know what I mean? He was also a Pisces. He is also the president that had a pet alligator. If I'm not mistaken, I want to think that he is, I did not look into him enough because we will eventually cover him. So I didn't want to look. There's some things that I don't want to look into too, because I kind of want to stay in the mentality of the year. 

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We're in now tidbits in my brain. Yes. I want to say, add to the podcast. Wasn't there another one that had a raccoon or something. There were lots of interesting, lots of interesting. When I taught about different pets in the white house, I saw something the other day that was talking about, you know, now there's cat in the white house in someone, but we no longer have a president. If anyone owns a cat, they know the guy, the one that now runs, runs the states. And I went, honestly, wouldn't be mad if a cat ran the United States, I kind of, there's a city that a dog became mayor. 

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Anyways. I've seen that. April 17th, John Pierpont Morgan, a K a JP Morgan was born. He is an American financier and investment banker who dominated corporate finance on wall street through the gilded age. He created a bank later known as JP Morgan and company. Today. You might know it as JP chase Morgan. And he spearheaded the formation of several corporations such as us steel, international harvester <em></em> and general electric, a K a G E. 

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He held controlling interests in Aetna, the insurance company, Western union. Oh wow. I know that the Pullman car company we know about that and 21 railroad companies. Wow. He was an Aries May 27th, James Butler, AKA wild bill Hitchcock. He was the folk hero of the American old west known for his role in many gunfights. He was a Gemini May 28th Antonio. Tony pastor was an American impresario variety, performer and theater owner who became one of the founding forces behind American vaudeville entertainment sales. 

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For those of you don't know what vaudeville entertainment is, it is a comedy and variety shows. So it's kind of like late night TV is now. That's how Julie Andrews got her star, but not in America. True. And Tony passer was a Gemini. We will actually talk about him probably in a USBs episode because I did put him aside to talk about later on. He's very interesting. He also crosses over with PT Barnum at some point. So I found that very interesting. June 22nd, Paul Morphy, he was the American chess player who was considered to have been the greatest chess master and considered by many as the official world chess champion now of all time. 

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Nice. He's a cancer. June 22nd, also touch the clouds was born. He is the chief of the mini conjure you out Teton Lakota tribe, which is part of the Sioux nation. He is, he is known for his skill and battle physical strength, diplomacy. He is also a cancer, but he is most known for being seven. You heard me correctly. Seven feet tall. Whoa, that's a big dude. That's a mountain of a man. I mean, as a, as a big bear, October 29th, Harriet powers was born. 

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She was a folk artist and quilt maker born into slavery in rural Georgia. She used traditional applicate techniques to record local legends, Bible stories and astronomical events. Her quilts are considered among the finest examples of 19th century, Southern quilting. She was a Scorpio love an old quilt, November 30th, Louis Edson Waterman. He's an American inventor. He held multiple. And once I say this you'll know exactly who he is, multiple fountain pin patents. 

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And he is founder of the Waterman pen company. So like water pens that you know, that's him and he's a Sagittarius. And then our deaths in 1737, got to bring us down with, tell me who does. I mean, I literally put dash this case, that's it? This case is the death for this year. So that cuts back section short, November 7th, 1837, Elijah parish loved joy was fatally shot during an attack by a pro-slavery mob who was trying to destroy a warehouse that held loved Joy's printing, press an abolitionists material. 

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Our story this week takes place in Alton, Illinois. We will kind of travel around a little bit, but Alton is where we end up. It is located on the Mississippi river and Madison county, Illinois. It is a part of the Metro east region of the greater St. Louis metropolitan area. Some people say St. Louis, some people say St. Louis Alton, Illinois is most known for a limestone Bluffs alabaster near where we live is also known for limestone. And it is known for those along the river of the area. Fun fact, it was the site of the last presidential debate between Abraham Lincoln and Stephen Douglas in 1858. 

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Many of the houses in Alton, I looked it up. They're gorgeous. They're built in the Victorian queen Anne style, which is that very, almost like ginger bread cookie kind of looking beautiful filigree on Lord gorgeous. So that's what Alton, Illinois is kind of known for. It was a commercial center for large agricultural areas. Alton was developed as a river town in 18, 18 by Rufus Easton who named the town after his son Alton, he ran a passenger ferry service across the Missouri and Mississippi shores. And Alton is located right at the confluence of three navigable rivers, which are the Illinois river, the Mississippi river and Missouri. 

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Then it became a river trading company. And it is now known as a town with a quote industrial character. The city grew right on the waterfront where grain silos and railroad tracks were constructed to store and ship the areas, grains and produce. The sea has several brick commercial buildings, and it has an unusually high number of streets still paved in brick, much like our college. Oh man, you are beautiful, real attendee, a no college until you tripped over a cobblestone. One of those tree roots pops them up. Anyways, the lower levels of Alton are subject to floods. 

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Many of which have inundated the historic downtown area of the town. The dates of different flood levels are marked on the large grain silos. Part of the ardent mills area near the accuracy casino at the waterfront, the flood of 1993, coincidentally also the blizzard of 1993 for Alabama is considered the worst of the last century for this area. The first penitentiary in Illinois was built in Alton during the American civil war union forces use the penitentiary to hold prisoners of war. 

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And about 12,000 Confederate soldiers were held there during the smallpox epidemic of 1863 and 1864, an estimated 2200 men died just a couple at places haunted by a Confederate mass grave on the north side of Alton holds many of the dead from the epidemic and a Memorial marks the site of their burial. Often when Confederate prisoners escaped, they tried to call cross the Mississippi river back to the slave state of Missouri, because keep in mind, this will come into play in a bit. 

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Illinois at this time was a free state. Missouri was a slave state. So Confederate soldiers to me, I know Confederate soldiers would flee from Illinois, a free state back to Missouri, a slave state president of that. Missouri was a slave state though. We'll get to it. I think don't, don't hold me to that. Robert Pershing log low. He is listed in the Guinness book of world records as the world's tallest man. Cool. He is marked at eight feet, 11.1 inches, nine feet tall. 

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Oh my stars. For those of our international visitors, that is 2.72 meters. He is buried in Oakwood cemetery in the area known as upper Alton. I know the earth over his grave was intentionally raised. So visitors can compare. It's linked to the other graves in the area. Oh, pass a little bit 10 and last but not least, certainly Leo will not care about this part, but I do the Mick pike mansion and mineral Springs hotel were featured on the travel channel series, ghost adventures with the one and only Zak Bagans and onto our story for the week. 

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Elijah perish love joy. One of the most influential people, honestly, during this time, you'll find out why. And it's an interesting story. He was born on November 9th, 1802, an Albion Maine. His parents were Elizabeth pats, hay and Daniel Love joy. He was the first of nine children. And I put, just know, now are these, did all of these nine survive? Or are these just the nine that did survive? Were there more, no, no, no. Nine, no, not, not the German nine of no, no, no, no. 

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I'm saying children did these nine. They all survived, but these are survived. They all have names. Yes. But were there more, that didn't is what I'm saying possibly. And again, just dot, dot dot. No, his father was a preacher and a farmer while his mother was described as a homemaker and devout Christian, what else does she have time to do at this point? Elijah was actually named after Alijah parish. Why should perish love joy as you know, who was a mentor of his father? And I just put the OJI, Elijah parish was a minister and a politician. 

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The father of the family, Daniel did not have a formal education if he made sure that his sons, Elijah Daniel, Joseph Campbell, C a M M E T T. Interesting name Owen also interesting for this time and John O obtained schooling themselves as for his three daughters. I was apparently a little salty when I wrote this. My bet is that they were not given the same luxury. However, Elijah was taught how to read the Bible and several other religious texts at a young age, he finishes early education in public schools, near his home. 

00:42:44

And then he went on to the academy at Monmouth, which was a private school for secondary education. He became very proficient in Latin and found himself to be very talented and Lee, his favorite subject mathematics. This led him to enroll at Waterville college as a second year student for his first year in 1823, based on faculty recommendations from 1824 to 1826, he served as the head master. You heard this correctly, headmaster of Colby's associated high school, which was the Latin school in the area later called Coburn classical Institute. 

00:43:31

He was in college serving as the head master of a high school. Good for him. Dear gracious. No. Hey, well, my daddy was in high school. He was driving a school bus that is terrifying. Anyways, he was very responsible and hands, I would have also described myself as responsible in high school, but I can't say that I was, he was maybe he received financial support from minister Benjamin Tappan to continue his studies at Waterville college tap and later served as a us district judge and a us Senator for Ohio in September of 1826, Elijah graduated cum laude from the university and he was also named as valedictorian for him during the winter and spring. 

00:44:22

He taught at China academy. That is the name of it. China academy. Interesting, very interesting wonder, could not find anything really on it, but whatever soon he became dissatisfied with daily teachings and Elijah considered moving to the Southern United States was at this point was technically the Western United States. This was not truly the Southern, this was kind of the Western area of the United States, but at this time it was considered Southern. So I just wanted to make sure that was clear. This was not, he did not move to the south. He kind of moved west a little bit. He kinda moved Southwest. Okay. 

00:45:02

In income at this time by May, 1827, he had moved to Boston to earn money for his journey. He decided to settle in the free state of Illinois, but he was unsuccessful at finding work. And he started to Illinois by foot. He stopped in New York city in mid June and he tried to find work. He eventually landed a position with the Saturday evening Gazette as a newspaper subscription peddler for nearly five weeks. He worked to sell subscriptions, struggling with his finances. He wrote to Jeremy Chaplin, the president of Waterville college. 

00:45:44

And he explained his situation. Chaplain actually sent him money to help him out. This gave Elijah the ability to continue on his journey west. Unfortunately it wasn't long into the trip when he got sick, even though his intent was to end up in Illinois, which was a free state. He arrived in St. Louis, Missouri in late 1827. Keep in mind that Missouri, as I said before, was a slave state. At this point, Elijah went back to what he knew and operated a private school with a friend. They modeled their school after the academies that Elijah had attended before and as before Elijah's interest in teaching faded quickly. 

00:46:32

And at this time it wasn't due to boredom. Local editors of a newspaper started publishing Elijah's poems. Then in 1829, he became co-editor with TJ Miller of the St. Louis times where he promoted the candidacy of us, Senator Henry Clay for his presidency, editing the newspaper, introduced him to more people who had similar mindsets of himself. Some of them were members of the American colonization society. Also known as the ACS. The ACS had mixed reviews. If we're being honest, the main push for them at this point was to sinned, freed slaves to Africa and considered it a type of reparation. 

00:47:24

I put reparation in quotes of sorts, but Frederick Douglas, as we've talked about before, he is a slave that escaped from slavery is very famous. Frederick Douglas had been very outspoken in his opposition to the ACS. Entirely Douglas said that most black people in the United States were native born and had been for generations, which of course made them feel like their home was the us. And sending them back to Africa would not be in their best interest. Can't say that I disagree. I mean, duh Elijah also started to bump elbows with other new acquaintances, such as prominent St. 

00:48:12

Louis attorneys and slave holders, such as Edward Bates, who later became a us attorney general under president Abraham Lincoln, Hamilton R gamble, who became a chief justice of the Missouri Supreme court and his brother Archibald gamble. And during his time at the paper, it is noted that he hired slaves quote, lease. I put this in quotes for a reason, quote, leased out by owners because apparently you can lease people too, but they released out to help him at the paper. One of them was William Wells brown, who later said about love joy quote. 

00:48:57

He was a very good man and decidedly the best master that I ever had. I am chiefly indebted to him and to my employment in the printing office for what little learning I obtained was while in slavery and working for him, it was around this time that Elijah started to struggle with religion. And he wrote to his parents on a few occasions, lamenting about his rebellion and sinfulness. That is until Alijah found the revivalist movement, which was led by abolitionist David Nelson. He went on to sell his interest in the paper and went back to study at Princeton theological seminary. 

00:49:43

Once he graduated, he went to Philadelphia where he became an ordained minister of the Presbyterian church. He had done all of these things by the time he was 31. Wow. I feel very inadequate. Underachieved anyways, I'm 42. I mean, I'm just saying it wasn't long until St. Louis came calling back to him in a group of friends, offered to finance, a Presbyterian affiliated religious newspaper. If Elijah agreed to come back and be the editor just seven months after becoming a minister, he left and went and packed to publish the first issue of the St. 

00:50:29

Louis observer. This is when he started writing editorials, which criticized slavery. It wasn't just slavery that he went after either. He wrote a series of articles, criticizing the Catholic church, which we know is never good between attacking those two topics. Elijah essentially put a target on his back. The Missouri Republican newspaper began publishing articles, articles, supporting the gradual emancipation of slaves, which Elijah also continue to encourage the more articles that were published. 

00:51:10

The more pushback he was receiving from the community pro-slavery proponents, condemned anti-slavery coverage in newspapers stating that it was against quote, the vital interests of slave holding states. Elijah was threatened to be tarred and feathered if he continued to publish anti-slavery content. Hmm. Just, just think about being tarred and feathered for a moment. Not cool, not fun, not a time that I would sign up for it. And honestly, the skin, I think it would be a little bit of a, what do they call it? 

00:51:51

Commented in it where it like, kind of clogs your pores a little bit. I don't think it'd be good for him for the complexion. Not, not for the pores. The feathers could be itchy, not problematic in a lot of ways. For timeline's sake, we have to break it this time to talk about Elijah's personal life, because he had actually gotten married right? When he came back to be a part of the paper, he was also traveling around the state as an evangelist, preacher. This is when he met Celia and French in St. Charles, Missouri. They married on March 4th, 1835. 

00:52:32

And Elijah described his wife as intelligent refined and of agreeable manners. Oh, that's very kind. I don't know how I feel about agreeable manners being described as mine. She was, she, she was a lady. He was describing her as a lady. I don't know if anybody described me as that. Anyways, they had not a lie. They had two sons together. One was named Edward and the other was born after Elijah's murder. Oh, I know. I know. 

00:53:14

I didn't see a record of a name and that's all that I can really find on his wife and kids too. So sad. I know that I've seen stories and I've seen things where that have happened for, and that was Ugh, that one, that one was a knife to the heart. By October, 1835, there were rumors of mob action against the observer. A group of prominent citizens, including many of Elijah's friends wrote a letter pleading to him to stop the discussion of slavery in newspapers. Elijah was out of town at the time. And the publishers declared that no further articles on slavery would be published during his absence. 

00:54:00

They said that when he returned, he would follow a more rigorous editorial policy. Elijah responded by ignoring everything the publishers said, wow, wow. But as the tensions over slavery escalated in St. Louis, Elijah would not back down from his convictions. He sense that he could soon become a martyr for the cause as well. He was asked to resign as the editor of the observer, to which he actually agreed after the newspapers owners release the observer property to a mortgage company, new owners purchased the observer and asked Elijah to come back in April of 1863, Frances McIntosh, a freed slave and boatman was arrested by two policemen on his way to jail. 

00:54:59

Macintosh grabbed a knife and stabbed both men, oh one was killed and the other was seriously injured. But if a trigger warning here Macintosh attempted to escape, but was caught by a mob who tied him up and burned him to death. One of the worst ways to go, if I gotta be honest, some of the mob participants were brought before a grand jury to face charges. The presiding judge, coincidentally named judge lawless. 

00:55:43

You heard that correctly. He refused to convict anyone. He said that the crime was a spontaneous mob action without any specific people to prosecute. The judge made remarks suggesting that abolitionists, including Alijah and the observer had incited Macintosh into stabbing the policeman. Therefore, anyone who took any actions against Macintosh or completely aright wait a minute, but keep in mind, his name was lawless. 

00:56:25

The articles saying, Hey, slavery is wrong. We shouldn't have slaves that made this one individual who Was a Freed slave, who was a free way who was arrested for whatever reason that we don't know, pull a knife on these two officers that didn't, that, that these articles made him do that. And so, Of course, because of course, keep in mind, his slave owners would have taught him how to read, but continue because we know that. Yes. And so, because of that, that was the fault of the people who, The newspaper and Elijah, not the people who had It was his fault. 

00:57:15

And because he did that, he deserved to be burned. And it wasn't really the people's fault who wanted to, you know, teach him and quote his cond a lesson req. Yeah. I'm glad you're catching on. Okay. I wanted to make sure I had it exactly what was going on. I had to read it a few times to make sure I was reading it correctly as well. Okay. Becca, following the plan and what was going on here. Okay. Got it. Wow. Yeah. I hope my sarcasm. Okay. This of course incited violence and a mob broke into the observer office and vandalized it. 

00:58:00

Future mayor Brian Mullin fi wow. Was one of the only ones that tried to intervene in the vandalism. And that included the police and city officials who stood by and watched it all happen, students. And what Elijah packed, what was left of the office up and decided to move the observer headquarters across the Mississippi river to Alton Illinois, the printing press was sitting on the river bank who thought this was a good idea. I don't know it was unguarded overnight. 

00:58:42

And it shouldn't be a surprise that vandals destroyed it and threw the remnants into the Mississippi river. And it was on love bank of the river Hoodie. Illinois had already become a free state at this time. And Alton was actually much larger than Chicago at this time. Remember Patty cannon? I don't like Her. And I mean, I put in parentheses and her skull could forget. I have not made up about that nasty skull sitting people to see it Halloween And how she was a part of the reverse underground railroad. 

00:59:22

Trying to forget about the winch Alton happens to also be a center for quotes slave catchers. It's what they called themselves. And pro slavery activists from the south. Many refugees slaves crossed the Mississippi river from Missouri and in Alton, many residents were pro-slavery southerners who thought their city should not become a Haven for escaped slaves. Elijah become a pastor at the upper Alton Presbyterian church. And in 1837, he started the Alton observer, which was also an abolitionist Presbyterian paper, same paper, different names. 

01:00:08

Yep. Being in a free state Elijah's views on slavery became more extreme than they were before. And he called for a convention to discuss forming an Illinois chapter of the American anti slavery society. I just want to point out that that would be a S S I am really trying to hold that in. Anyway, this is, this is a moment here. This society was established four years earlier in 1833 in Philadelphia, even though he was in a free state, his ideas became too radical for the city. 

01:00:51

And they started to question whether he should be able to continue printing the economic downfall from president Jackson's decision to not extend the charter for the second bank of the U S because it a bit of a disaster for everyone, which also caused everyone to look for answers regarding the cause of the downfall. And in Alton, they looked at Elijah and of course his paper was the reason for their hardships. Sure. They felt Southern states or even the city of St. Louis might not want to do business with their town. If they continued to Harbor such an outspoken abolitionist, Elijah held the Illinois anti-slavery Congress at the Presbyterian church in upper Alton on October 26th, 1837 supporters were surprised to see two pro-slavery advocates in the crowd. 

01:01:52

John Hogan and Illinois attorney general usher F lender. Oh, his name was usher. Usher, usher, usher, little John. Anyways. Yeah. It was such a good song. I understood that correctly. Love confessions Bioshock. Anyways, anyways, the supporters are not happy to have enemies at their convention, but relented as the meeting was open to all parties on November 2nd, 1837, Elijah responded to threats in a speech saying, quote, as long as I am an American citizen. 

01:02:44

And as long as American blood runs in these veins, I shall hold myself a Liberty to speak, to write and to publish whatever. I please being amenable to the laws of my country for the same day. Wow. I mean, that is whew. I mean, brass brass. Finally, Elijah received his fourth printing for us and he hit it in a warehouse owned by Winthrop swag. It Gillum who was a major grocer in the area like his name's swaggin. 

01:03:29

You got to love it. Anyways, a mall, a mob, which mostly had citizens from Missouri in it, attacked the warehouse on November 6th, 1837. It's not nice. This, when things get real, according to the ultimate observer, the mob fired shots into the warehouse. When Elijah and his men returned fire, they hit several people in the crowd. They killed a man whose name was all only known as Bishop after the attacking party seemed to have withdrawn. Elijah opened the door and was instantly struck by five bullet dying within minutes by like a firing squad, man. 

01:04:15

Yeah, it was bad. Francis butter Murdoch, middle name is butter. I mean, he wasn't that his middle name wasn't like his nickname. Like it was his middle name for sure. I mean, it was his, yeah. He was the district attorney of Alton ma and he prosecuted charges of riot related to both assailants and defenders of the warehouse in January of 1838 on Wednesday and Friday of the same week, he called the Illinois attorney general usher lender to assist him of sir Murdoch and lender. 

01:04:57

First prosecuted Gillam, who was the owner of the warehouse and 11 other defendants of the new press and the building. They were indicted on two charges related to the riot at a trial that opened on January 16th, 1838 for quote, unlawful defense. So defined in charge because it was quote, violently and tumultuous sleep done. Gillum Gillum. The owner of the warehouse moved to be tried separately. His counsel said that he needed to be able to show his lack of criminal intent. 

01:05:41

The court agreed on the condition that the other 11 defendants would be tried together. Although the proceedings lasted until 10:00 PM that night in the case of Gillum, the jury returned after 10 minutes to declare him not guilty. The next morning, the quotes city entered a normal process square way as to the other 11 defendants effectively dismissing all of the charges against them. So these are all the people inside the warehouse. A new jury was called to hear the case against the assailants of the warehouse. 

01:06:25

The attacker is allegedly responsible for destruction of the warehouse and Elijah's death were tried beginning the 19th of January, 1838, concluding. It was not possible to assign responsibility among the several suspects and others not indicted. The jury gave a verdict of not guilty. The jury foreman had been identified as a member of the mob wounded in the attack. Oh my goodness. The presiding judge doubled as a witness to the proceedings. 

01:07:11

These conflicts of interest are believed to have contributed to the non guilty verdict. So Shaw color may Shaw Elijah perish love joy was buried in Alton cemetery and in marked gray to try and prevent vandalism. Oh, that makes me sad. Later in 1864, his grave was quote reclaimed from oblivion by Thomas Dimmick, who was a manager later of the Alton Democrat newspaper. Dimmick had quote succeeded in establishing the location of a grave, which currently was in a road way where vehicles were passing over it. 

01:08:03

That is very disrespectful. Mr. Dimmick had the bones disinterred and laid in a new grave where they would be free from trespass. He also arranged for a gravestone, help, found a committee to create a monument to the editor. Demic was a principal or writer at the dedication of a later monument erected in 1897 to commemorate Elijah, the Chicago Tribune said of the grave marking and association to fund a monument quote for many years, loved Joy's grave was unmarked and endanger of utter oblivion until one who had known him in life. 

01:08:43

Thomas Dibick of St. Louis marked the grave with the simple stone bearing the inscription hick <em></em> love joy Zam Pparcee Duplo here lies, love joy. Now spare his grave. It was largely through the efforts of Mr. Dimmick that 10 years ago, the love joy monument association was formed. So today Elijah is considered a martyr by the abolitionists movement. And in his name, his brother Owen loved joy, became the leader of the Illinois abolitionists movement Owen and his other brother, Joseph wrote a memoir about Elijah, which was published in 1838 by the anti-slavery society in New York. 

01:09:37

And it was distributed widely among abolitionists in the nation with the symbolic killing of Elijah, contributing to the rising tensions within the country. Elijah is considered the first casualty of the civil war. And that is the story of Elijah perish, love, joy. Wow, crazy. Wow. He was murdered like an and guys, the reason this is so insane to me is I, for those who do not know my degree is in journalism. I w like I studied journalism in like in depth and this man, he was murdered for his ideals. 

01:10:28

I mean, which a lot I get that a lot of people are. I get that. That's the thing in this country. However, I guess it hits home a little bit harder. He was doing what you want, like what you were trained to do. He did exactly what he was supposed to do in writing what he stood up for. It was a Presbyterian abolitionist paper period. Like that's, that's what it was. And it's just insane to me, but he's very influential. I do know that. And I understand, regardless of where we're listened to, regardless of who listens to us, we have actually, from people who've spoken with Leah, we have had people listened to our podcasts that we actually have challenged and changed their beliefs on somethings that they thought, Or maybe not even changed their beliefs just Made them, made them research more into what they did not know about or think, Oh, I need to look more into this and yet read, read books about top, You know, I didn't know about, yeah. 

01:11:32

Like I want to know more about, And with, like I said, I know this can, for some people be a controversial thing. It honestly shouldn't be, but I get it. This is black history month. It is Elijah perish love joy while he was a white abolitionists. He is also represented in a lot of museums. Yeah. Or black Americans because of, for them his, and that's not to say he's some wonderful snow, but honestly, in these, you have to have an ally. 

01:12:15

You have, especially, I'm not saying in the times of today guys, like I get it, understand we're trying to be politically correct. We understand we can't make everyone happy, but please understand the intent in what we say. People have to work together. And there has to be somebody to help other people. You have to have a voice that can, that can help get the word out and get the, And for this man to one, go from hiring slaves, to work for him at a paper, leasing women at leasing, leasing, leasing to then going on to create an abolitionist paper. 

01:13:00

I, the evolution and in a short period of time. So he was 31. By the time he became a preacher. So this was, he was before 35 before he died. So think about that in your mind of, he went from the age of 31 to the age of maybe 34 35 to completely changing his beliefs. Absolutely. And then also being willing to die for what he built. Yeah. And not meet his unborn child. I can't imagine. I mean, I mean, I can't, which happened to Alexander Hamilton because remember it's, that was young. Phillip. I understand. But I'm just saying there's, it's just, this is one of those stories. 

01:13:44

And what was funny is the reason that I bring this up is because a lot of the other sources that I found him in were related to black museums to websites that were about black history. So it was very interesting that this story came along in this time of when, you know, slavery was still, there were some states that didn't have it. There were some slaves that did, we talked about the entire underground railroad and the despicable reverse underground railroad. And you said that nasty woman's Name. 

01:14:25

I know. And to think that like, this man died for people, he didn't know which a lot. I mean I get that a lot of people do. But anyways, just thinking about this, there's a whole lot more about Elijah perish, love, joy that you can look into. He was very influential and a lot of different ways. There are several schools that are named after him, parks that are named after him. He has monuments in different places. He's a very interesting individual just based off of who he is, how he was raised, kind of how his life evolved. And just an interesting and interesting story. 

01:15:07

And that's, what's fun about our podcast is that we never know who we're going to talk about and you can uncover 70 cool Stories, so many things. And that was one of the compliments that I've always heard about our podcast is that people hear stories on other life that they've never heard. Yeah. Which is always really fun. And so I, I'm sorry, the story of the first attempted assassination, Can't be that mom can't goodness. Beat it. And coming up are a Patrion. We'll have a little bit more of an inside to that episode. So, Well, yeah, I, I visited sampling in Maryland. 

01:15:48

We did have a death in the family on the other side, which was very, very sad, very, very sad if I had had favorites and I may have lost a favorite if I had favorites, you're not supposed to have favorites. So I don't, but if I had favorites, but I was able to visit with him, my mom's family, we were up there celebrating his life. And I was talking about the podcast. I was like, oh my gosh, let me tell you this, this latest one. And I was thinking about it. And they were like, oh my gosh. I was like, The stories that come out of it are honestly, which I never intended because as some of a lot of, you know, I did come up, like it's not to pat myself on the back or be congratulatory of myself. 

01:16:30

Yes it is. But I did well. I'm just saying like, I did come up with the idea of this podcast, but it was just because I came up with an idea. It wasn't an intent of uncovering stories that people didn't know that was never Just fill in each year. And then you're like, oh, well, this one looks really good. Yeah. And it's just, there's so many things throughout our history that are not known and that have been lost. And to be able to give people a name, like, I mean, some of the people that we've covered, you have never known about them. 

01:17:11

Yeah. Like period, not at all. And like, we actually have been able to put a name to not necessarily a face because of how like our podcast has been created. But think about Dr. James Durham, who was episode three for us, like three and were all LD 40. And like, no, there's so many people that I talked to that are like, I never knew Dr. James Durham was, and those are people that get lost to history that should never get lost to history. Like he was one of the first slaves to ever become. 

01:17:55

No, he did not go to school as a actual studied physician, but he was trained, trained as a doctor. And those are stories that should never be forgotten. And, you know, we cover so many of those, the story of Dominic Daley and James Halligan who were murdered SIM I say murder because they were hung simply because of Irish racism and Catholic, like Irish Catholic racism in the United States. And just so many of the stories that we have covered that are just, you never the murder of George. 

01:18:36

I mean, that one was one of the hardest episodes that I had to write. I mean, I have had others, but that was honestly one of the hardest, we've talked about so many issues that are social social issues today. Like the first, so many of them relate back to now. I mean, you can still see maybe not the exact same situation, but it is still echoes now, like the America's first case of murder by counseling, where we discuss the case that happened within the past several years of a murder by counseling case, that happened in the same state, like a lot of still echoes. There are just so many cases and there are actually super funny. 

01:19:20

Both, there are two podcasts, popular podcasts, which I love them. And I shout it out to them on Twitter. And this will be like blasting for your wrap-up for the night. But two podcasts, both of my favorites, one morbid, a true crime podcast, wildly popular. They covered the Parrington family massacre. So weird to hear someone else cover a case that you also covered. And then too, and that's why we drink covered Levenia Fisher. 

01:20:02

Yeah. Who was one of the first female serial killers, which we debunked all of that. But Levenia Fisher is one of our most famous episodes that we have out. That's one of the most downloaded ones that we have. So it was so interesting hearing two podcasts that I listened to on a weekly basis, cover cases that we've also covered. They also shouted out for our Parrington episode murder. She told which we talked about then wonderful podcast name, and please go listen to her. I believe her name is Kristin. Her podcast is very good. Please go listen to it. 

01:20:42

But, and they actually mentioned, it made me so happy just to see like a podcast community get together because the morbid podcast, they did also get information from murder. She told like I did, and her podcast downloads like blue, oh, let's go overnight. And I was so happy for her because I mean, truly she's been in it for a long time. And her episodes are not nearly as long as ours are obviously at an hour and 34 minutes at this point. But it was just, it's a crazy experience hearing someone else cover what you've covered, but also they cover it from a different it's Different angles. 

01:21:24

Yeah. It was very interesting. And, and they had, they also did talk about the diary of the midwife that was next door, but they didn't go into it as much as we did. So I was like, she was related to Clara Barton. She was related to Claire. Sure. Charlene did to her, the starter like Clara Barton made an appearance on the gilded age. Yeah, it was. It's just, I'm just saying you need to watch it So insane and just crazy. I have a story that needs to be told when I taught or read this book every, every year and I would have it out it's Henry's freedom box. 

01:22:06

And it is a true story about a guy who mailed himself to freedom. I mean, seriously though, I've heard of That. People use, yes. I've heard of that. If You have not read, and it is a children's book and it has one, a Caldicot metal, which is amazing, but it is by Ellen Levine and it is amazing Henry's freedom box. It is a children's book, but it talks about a young SLIFE boy. And he, he grows up when he gets a little bit older. 

01:22:46

He, he puts himself in a box in a crate and he ships himself north to freedom. And it is a true story and it is amazing. It's another story that needs to be told it is for the kids to understand It is the resilience of people that have asked me. And like I under, I, Leah knows a lot about my life and I've seen and gone through a lot, but even still the resilience of some people down Forcefulness. Yes. The resourcefulness and the resiliency. 

01:23:28

And just, but also what I think is important for us is to teach empathy And oh, that Hundred percent. And that's what I tried to do when I taught was to try to, you know, can you imagine putting yourself in a box? I mean, it was dark in there. It was scary, you know, but he knew that that was his best chance of being free. And I truly think empathy is one of the best things that you can teach. Really anyone yourself, if you don't have it. But I mean, a lot of people can think about themselves in any situation, but yes, empathy is one of the best things that you can be able to teach anyone, especially. 

01:24:15

That's one thing that I tried to teach my daughter is when someone has, you know, something happened several weeks ago and another kid was, which, you know, I feel about this. Another kid was kind of semi bullying, semi making fun of another kid that was in her class. And Ellie, my daughter told me about it. And I specifically asked her, I said, what did you do? She said, mommy, I didn't know what to do. I didn't do anything. And I, and I, that was when I said, this is the time for the conversation. And I sat down with her and I said, sometimes there are people who cannot stand up for themselves because they don't know how to, or they don't have the courage to write. 

01:25:04

And that's okay. They don't have to, it's not their job to always have courage, but it's your job. If you see something wrong to try and make it right. And I said, because how would you feel? Right. And she goes, mommy, I would feel really bad if somebody did that. And I said, so don't you want to make sure your friends don't feel that way? Because it was something so stupid, like making it was something so ridiculous that I said, you know, and she did. She said something, she told the other, it was, it was a group of girls. We know her motos. And one little girl gimme a group of little boys in a day. One of them was being very mean. 

01:25:45

And I told Lee, I said, you know, how would you tell them my daughter? I said, how would you feel about that? And she said, I wouldn't like it. And she said, and I told her that she needed to be a lot nicer to this other girl. And she said, but she wouldn't listen to me. So I didn't know what else to do. She just kept being mean. And I said, so you know what? You do. You say it again, give for her. It doesn't matter how you do it. Doesn't matter how you go about it. You just say it again. And I said, an eventually they'll realize that what you're saying is true and you mean it. And I was trying to explain to her, you know, there are a lot of people because I was this child. I was not one that stood up for myself. 

01:26:27

I want it. I did not want to be an inconvenience. I wanted to put myself in a little box and be like, just me and I would not stand up for myself and I try to push it, which my child is very outspoken and very independent. And I try to instill that in her of like, Hey, you know, you can be the voice for someone else. Yeah. Even when they cannot be the voice for themselves, I'm better at being someone else's voice than being marveled. Oh, look you come after somebody. I know you come after one of my people, I'm a Honeybadger. I'm one of those wild bat that a Honeybadger will take on a bear. 

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And I can tell you, I will not put up with that. Yeah. Come after one of my people come after me. I'm like one of my paints. Yeah. I mean, and, but what's, it's just insane because yeah, you do need to have empathy for people. You need to feel all of those things. And this episode is coming out on Valentine's day. So, you know what kind be kind love each other ways. Healing is bad and you will find more of those sentiments on our website where you can find any, and all one key information you were looking for. It is one nation under crime.com. 

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We love you guys. Hey, tell people while you're in line at TJ Maxx, that line always gets really blazed our home goods opens tomorrow. Anybody open? I know. Oh, okay. We gotta go. It's closed by now. Dang it. Anyways. It's fine. We love you guys. We love you guys. We will see you here. Same time, different crime next week. And remember there isn't always Liberty and justice for all. Nope. No happy. Valentine's day. We love you guys. 

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Goodbye.